Republican Assault on Kerry Begins, Flip Flop Boxing courtesy of gop.com

I believe they emailed this to the media before releasing the public, or so CNN said. It has citations which I have yet to check out. Be my guest to check their veracity.

http://www.gop.com/kerryvskerry/default.asp?uid=0

If this is all true, he's in trouble.

I hope he has a defense to them, there are 30 accusations.
We should make something like that for Bush though. Not about flip-flops but about the stupid shit he's done, i'm sure we could come up with more than 30.

the way they do this is cherry-picking. It will be a matter of whether or not they can sell it to the likely voters and that will not depend upon the "truth" of their assertions so much as Kerry's response to the smear campaign.

If the best they can do is distort Kerry's votes then Bush, not Kerry is in trouble.

This website is a great example of the GOP's claim to "moral clarity" which is another way to say none of them are able to think in anything but a linear fashion. They're that disfunctional.

On tariffs gay marriage and nation building. There are more that I can't think of.

a result of cherry-picking combined with the rhetoric of characterization rather than an objective state of reality. Even when they say something like "Senator Bonehead voted for blah-blah" it is almost always a characterization that may or may not be valid regarding a procedural vote or for a very flawed bill with blah-blah attached or a rider of because of some cro-mag throwback amendment to blah-blah that made it untenable.

http://www.johnkerry.com/videos/console.php?video=022704_word#022704_word

Just click play

I'm not inspired.

maybe your sig line is coloring your vision

The problem with NCLB isn't that it's underfunded, it's that it's punitive and removes local control in education.

Kerry's critique pales to Deans.

Bush is bad, but Kerry is not the answer.

He's got to earn my support, meaning a message of his own. He's yet to do that.

our own? It appears to me based on the opener and your responses in this thread you are then campaigning for Bush.

Oh and trying to force people into support never ever works. I suggest that you stop doing so.

It's amazing how quick we are to accuse.

lame internet game piece than a commercial DEMONSTRATING the actual flip flops that have harmed Americans.

It causes me to question your perspective.

Maybe we can add some drool going down Kerry's lip in the next one to please the disaffected.

I'm simply asking to vote for someone, not simply against. Until the convention, he will not get my support and after that it will be passive. He can change that if he shows me vision, real change, show me that he's changed since this:

Alabama Jeff Sessions (R): Yes Richard Shelby (R): Yes
Alaska Frank Murkowski (R): Yes Ted Stevens (R): Yes
Arizona Jon Kyl (R): Yes John McCain (R): Yes
Arkansas Tim Hutchinson (R): Yes Blanche Lincoln (D): Yes
California Barbara Boxer (D): No Dianne Feinstein (D): Yes
Colorado Wayne Allard (R): Yes Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R): Yes
Connecticut Christopher Dodd (D): Yes Joseph Lieberman (D): Yes
Delaware Joseph Biden (D): Yes Thomas Carper (D): Yes
Florida Bob Graham (D): No Bill Nelson (D): Yes
Georgia Max Cleland (D): Yes Zell Miller (D): Yes
Hawaii Daniel Akaka (D): No Daniel Inouye (D): No
Idaho Larry Craig (R): Yes Mike Crapo (R): Yes
Illinois Richard Durbin (D): No Peter Fitzgerald (R): Yes
Indiana Evan Bayh (D): Yes Richard Lugar (R): Yes
Iowa Charles Grassley (R): Yes Tom Harkin (D): Yes
Kansas Sam Brownback (R): Yes Pat Roberts (R): Yes
Kentucky Jim Bunning (R): Yes Mitch McConnell (R): Yes
Louisiana John Breaux (D): Yes Mary Landrieu (D): Yes
Maine Susan Collins (R): Yes Olympia Snowe (R): Yes
Maryland Barbara Mikulski (D): No Paul Sarbanes (D): No
Massachusetts Edward Kennedy (D): No John Kerry (D): Yes
Michigan Debbie Stabenow (D): No Carl Levin (D): No
Minnesota Mark Dayton (D): No Paul Wellstone (D): No
Mississippi Thad Cochran (R): Yes Trent Lott (R): Yes
Missouri Jean Carnahan (D): Yes Christopher (Kit) Bond (R): Yes
Montana Max Baucus (D): Yes Conrad Burns (R): Yes
Nebraska Chuck Hagel (R): Yes Ben Nelson (D): Yes
Nevada John Ensign (R): Yes Harry Reid (D): Yes
New Hampshire Judd Gregg (R): Yes Bob Smith (R): Yes
New Jersey Jon Corzine (D): No Robert Torricelli (D): Yes
New Mexico Jeff Bingaman (D): No Pete Domenici (R): Yes
New York Hillary Clinton (D): Yes Charles Schumer (D): Yes
North Carolina John Edwards (D): Yes Jesse Helms (R): Yes
North Dakota Kent Conrad (D): No Byron Dorgan (D): Yes
Ohio Mike DeWine (R): Yes George Voinovich (R): Yes
Oklahoma James Inhofe (R): Yes Don Nickles (R): Yes
Oregon Gordon Smith (R): Yes Ron Wyden (D): No
Pennsylvania Rick Santorum (R): Yes Arlen Specter (R): Yes
Rhode Island Lincoln Chafee (R): No Jack Reed (D): No
South Carolina Ernest "Fritz" Hollings (D): Yes Strom Thurmond (R): Yes
South Dakota Thomas Daschle (D): Yes Tim Johnson (D): Yes
Tennessee Bill Frist (R): Yes Fred Thompson (R): Yes
Texas Phil Gramm (R): Yes Kay Bailey Hutchison (R): Yes
Utah Robert Bennett (R): Yes Orrin Hatch (R): Yes
Vermont James Jeffords (I): No Patrick Leahy (D): No
Virginia George Allen (R): Yes John Warner (R): Yes
Washington Maria Cantwell (D): Yes Patty Murray (D): No
West Virginia Robert Byrd (D): No Jay Rockefeller (D): Yes
Wisconsin Russell Feingold (D): No Herb Kohl (D): Yes
Wyoming Mike Enzi (R): Yes Craig Thomas (R): Yes

Everything in the ad I provided was true too and not taken out of context.

and your little cut and paste job demonstrates what your actual agenda is which is not to inspire yourself but to SOUR others from supporting Kerry as the nominee.

What you personally do...that's your business...what you use DU to do...I will rebut. Deal with it.

What is inaccurate about posting an important vote and asking Kerry to show me that he's changed since then. A detesetable vote I might add.

This is a legitimate post. Deal with it.

This is a propaganda piece intended to sour other democrats on Kerry. They can get that at www.freerepublic.com

it. I don't really believe he has standing. I look at the messenger too, I'm also well aware of the media echo chamber effect. This was getting play on CNN this morning.

And again with the Freeper/Repug suggestions.

and by his foreign policy speeches that he adopted most of it for his own first speeches on those issues.

Surely you must have studied them both early on and noticed the amazing similarities? Or didn't you bother to examine them both at the time?

You picked the fight with me buddy.

Your posts speak for themselves.

You came as close as you could to calling me a pug.
:argh:

I'm telling you what I need to get inspired about Kerry after you posted a video which was obviously intended to get me to not pay attention to the circus.

I think by posting that ad I was getting you to pay closer attention. YOu seem to think the little cartoon is powerful and true and Kerry's ad is not powerful.

Is his ad not true?

I personally think the "broken promise" theme is weak.

He was elected on a theme of "compassionate conservatism," and he certainly didn't hold that up. But Dean did not steal anything.

I think I'm done with this bullshit argument.

That's a good one.

and note the dates of WHEN they shared their positions in policy speeches?

Surely noone would make dogmatic claims without FIRST putting forth the effort to be accurate....would they?

I'm also aware of the distinct differences between Kerry and Dean's record. You're just trying to make me look foolish, and it's failing miserably.

That's the first time I've heard anyone allege that Dean somehow copied Kerry.

Call me cynical too

I think maybe you should examine their early speeches and make your own call.

Wouldn't a FAIR person do that on his own?

there is no way you are selling that crap to anyone with a brain

a natural one for the bushco$$ types to use. The repug RW has been completely immune to any failures or contradictory facts in pushing their agenda. They keep pushing the same policies no matter what, learning nothing and growing not at all. Miserable failures and colossal mis-estimations they excuse merely by changing the lies, spin and distortions.

To recognize changed circumstances, or correct a failing course in midstream is complete anathema to the neocons and their fellow travelers. To them, expecting a new result from the same course of action is firmness of conviction, not insanity or stupidity.

Still these are hard points to make with idiots. We may be in for some pain in this regard.

It just means Kerry has a long career of public service, while Bush* has none. It's going to get very tiresome after a while.

And events are bearing down on Bush* like the cracking ice-wall that buried that Russian research station. (Though in slower motion I guess.) Iraq chaos, jobs, deficit, investigations, environment. On and on.

Bush*s weakness can't stand up to reality now. Kerry just has to keep steadily answering and attacking.

Let's start with the man that said he was a "uniter - not a divider"..
Also, he started with a projected $5trillion surplus and he said he was going to protect the SS Trust Fund? He said he was going to create millions and millions of jobs with his taxcuts to his wealthy friends...They have flip-flopped so much they may need to join Barnum & Bailey and work with a net. It's almost inconceivable that they would mention the phrase...

only SUCKERS would take it at face value.

Or a non-discerning Kerry detractor who WANTS to believe every right wing accusation against him.

Different times require different measures. Cold war votes are different from post Cold War votes.

Votes AGAINST spy hardware are different from votes that preferred more dollars going to HUMAN intelligence on the ground.

Hell, if Democrats are stupid enough to not examine the facts, but spread them around for Rove THEN this world will be in trouble.

potray * as nothing more than a con-man.


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For those of you who watch it all the time..remember the debate - George Bush vs George Bush? They're going to have to do better than this. I'm sure they will. They're just warming up, but so are we.

I don't. And I don't believe anything that BFEE turd says about most anything.

Here's a fact for you. Twenty years ago, as Kerry was just starting his career in the US Senate, George W Bush was nothing but a broke-down broke drunk, driving his first "energy" company into the ground -- until it got a big cash infusion from the bin Ladens.

Read about it here:


Bush & Bin Laden - George W. Bush Had Ties to Billionaire bin Laden Brood

The unexplained death of Salem, Osama bin Laden's oldest brother, in 1988, brought to an abrupt end a long and intriguing relationship between President Bush and the head of the bin Laden family fortune.
 
By Roger Miller
 
The world now associates the bin Laden name with Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect be hind the terror atrocities of Sept. 11. As President George W. Bush leads an intense international manhunt for Osama, few Americans realize that Osama's eldest brother, Salem, was one of Bush's first business partners.

SNIP...

Osama embraced Islamic fundamentalism and is now the world's most wanted man. "Salem went on to become a business partner of the man who is leading the hunt for his brother," the Daily Mail's Peter Allen said. "In the 1970s, he and George W. Bush were founders of the Arbusto Energy oil company in Mr. Bush's home state of Texas."

President Bush and the bin Laden family have been connected through dubious business deals since 1977, when Salem, the head of the bin Laden family business, one of the biggest construction companies in the world, invested in Bush's start-up oil company, Arbusto Energy, Inc.

James R. Bath, a friend and neighbor, was used to funnel money from Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, to set up George W. Bush in the oil business, according to The Wall Street Journal and other reputable sources.

CONTINUED...

http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html