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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:18 AM
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9/11: Bush* ran and hid in a hole!
Every time I see that Bush* 911 TV ad (played for free on every news channel, BTW), all I can visualize is Bush running away and hiding in a hole all day while thousands died.

We need to plaster the facts all over our towns:

9/11: Bush ran and hid in a hole!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:25 AM
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1. I hope that MoveOn
uses the actual film of him that day, to remind the public that he wasn't the Dirty Harry-style tough guy he imagines himself being. Give me a break. He looked scared sh_tless. I believe that this bunch of crap on his part opens the door for all of the comparisons between Kerry and him in the balls department. Kerry was wounded and facing gun-fire, and headed into the danger zone to rescue people; bush was not wounded, did not face any danger, and put his tail between his legs and got away from those who were killed or injured as fast as Air Force One could take him.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:30 AM
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2. Yep, Our "Commander In Chief" Didn't Do Any Commanding at all
Edited on Sun Mar-07-04 10:31 AM by bushisanidiot
he ran and hid until the dust settled DAYS later. Then he came out of his hiding place and said he was gonna make the terrsstss pay and make them deader than dead, even if he had to kill a million innocent people to make it happen.

yeah, that's leadership! what a WEAK "president"
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:31 AM
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3. Show a picture of the shrub
and a picture of Saddam and point out that they both hid in a hole when their countries were attacked, Bush just had a nicer hole.
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:34 AM
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5. excellent point
and who addressed the country when this happened? Karen Hughes!!
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LuLu550 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:33 AM
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4. I'm pretty sure Clinton made it to Ground Zero
well before the unelected chicken hawk did.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:37 AM
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8. And he was in Australia nt
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:35 AM
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6. I agree that thanks to media propaganda, the average
clueless American thinks the chimp did us proud that day. I had a big argument with a repuke acquaintance last summer who couldn't understand why I wasn't happy that * was "in charge" on 9-11. He simply refused to believe the truth that chimpy continued to sit in the classroom and then fled to Nebraska. Said I couldn't possibly be right because the chimp was such a great "leader."

I think one ad that would be devastating would be to show LBJ arriving back in DC the night of Nov. 22, 1963 calmly facing the camera and reassuring the nation that the adults were in charge. Contrast that with footage of the chimp continuing to sit in the classroom and a few snippets of news anchors that day trying to determine where the hell he was. Kerry should make damn sure the American people finally learn the truth.
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:36 AM
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7. It's easy to make the case...
It's easy to make the case that for security the President should not have gone directly back to Washington D.C. from Sarasota that awful day. It's impossible to make the case that a real leader would sit dumbstruck in a classroom for twenty minutes after having been informed that our nation was under attack. Twenty minutes that arguably could have saved some lives had a real leader been able to respond.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:38 AM
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9. Rove was not going to give up a Photo Op with kids just because
a couple planes flew into the WTC.
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:44 AM
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10. Where was Rove on 9/11 anyway? NT
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 11:41 AM
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12. I was home that entire day and watched the coverage
right after the first plane hit.

There is no case to be made for the frightened look on Bush's face when the pre-recorded tape was released.

There is no case to be made for the hours that day when no one knew where he was, what was going on or whether or not the attack was over.

If it wasn't for Rudy Giuliani we would have been leaderless that day.

There is zero excuse for him not speaking live to the American people until 8pm (or 9pm) that night.

I will never, ever forgive or forget his cowardice on that day.
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Sir Craig Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 11:18 AM
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11. Actually, the whole Bush* running away isn't a very good point...

Now, before anyone starts flaming me and accusing me of being a freeper hiding in DU clothing, let me re-emphasize that, as a member of the military, I am thoroughly disgusted with what BushCo* has turned us into: tools for a failed, dismal foreign policy. I cannot express enough my outrage towards his treatment of our dead and wounded, done with such indifference that it borders on disdain.

There are at least a thousand reasons for me to dislike Shrub*, but the "running to Nebraska" factoid is not one of them. True, he may have been happily led to his hidden bunker in order to make a secure call to Mommy Bush and sob his frightened little heart out to her, but it wouldn't not have mattered one way or the other, or even if it had been someone other than Shrub*.

There is a set of protocols that are followed in the event of national emergencies such as 9/11, and one of those is to get the president (or, in this case, the pretender-in-chief) to a secure location and begin to evaluate the situation. Certainly Shrub* had very little input during these evaluations: BushCo* probably had him tucked into a corner somewhere out of the way while the JCS and intel services struggled to learn what was going on, Rumsfeld was actively over-riding their findings, and Rove was looking for the political pearl in this pile of shit.

What it boils down to is, no matter who was acting as president that day, they would have been down in the hole also. (And let us not go into the whole, "Well, if so-and-so was president, 9/11 wouldn't have happened - we just flat-out don't know that, and throwing those accusations around does not serve our cause very well.) Instead, I say focus on what some here have mentioned, that Shrub* and Rove felt it was more important to continue with the photo op in the class as opposed to making a quick and decisive move.

That sums up Shrub*'s whole handling regarding 9/11.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 12:10 PM
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13. Your points are well reasoned and instructive, Sir Craig.
Edited on Sun Mar-07-04 12:10 PM by flpoljunkie
The democrats needs to focus on Bush's failed leadership and promises. Taking us to an unnecessary war in Iraq has not advanced the war on terror or helped us capture Osama bin Laden. It has been a costly distraction--in lives and treasure. Bush is bankrupting our future and seriously weakening our military's preparedness.

Bushco has got to go in November!
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 12:57 PM
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14. You're buying right wing myths about 9/11 wholesale
Edited on Sun Mar-07-04 01:05 PM by mouse7
We heard that whole boatload of crap that they were worried about the security of Air Force 1 on 9/11.

Horsecrap.

Air Force 1 had fully armed fighter escort within minutes of taking off from Florida. No civilian airliner could have gotten within 100 miles of Air Force One at that point.

Birds getting sucked into the engines of Air Force One were a greater threat to it than any of the hijacked airliners could ever have been once AF1 had fighter escort.

Presidents continually override security arrangement made by the Secret Service for factors ranging from simple convenience to political cinsiderations. Presidents can and do regularly not follow security arrangements.

Waiting for fighter escort for Air Force 1 met all the real security needs facing Air Force 1 on 9/11. Once armed fighters were detailed to AF1, The President should have headed for Andrews AFB. To do otherwise was cowardice, pure and simple.
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Sir Craig Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:21 PM
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15. I didn't say AF1 was in jeopardy...

As I stated, there are protocols that are followed, pure and simple. Yes, sometimes presidents (or even Bush*) fail to follow secret service advice, but here's something you need to know:

That's only if the secret service let them.

The commander-in-chief is not all-powerful, and he does not have total veto actions over his safety; in fact, he has none. Having met and dealt with the secret service, I know that there are plans in place for most contingencies, and absolutely no one, not even (place the name of your favorite deity or higher power here) has any over-ride authority over those plans. Those plans and security arrangements are in place for a reason, they apply to ALL administrations, and contrary to what you believe are NOT regularly subject to change, especially on a whim.

If it makes you feel better thinking Bush* is a coward, fine; in fact, I agree with you, especially after his piss-poor performance at trying to clear the air about the whole issue of his being AWOL during his guard non-service. As far as I'm concerned, Bush* has disgraced the uniform, both in his non-time in the guard and with that pathetic photo op on the carrier.

But the Air Force One argument has no validity. He could have been surrounded by the entire fighter arm of the Air Force and he would still have had to go to Nebraska or anywhere else that handled intel functions: it was not necessarily a matter of security, though it helps that Nebraska has a very secure location, but rather a matter of adhering to a response protocol that has been in place for longer than just this administration.

Please, there are thousands of substantially more valid points than this one argument for ending the Bush* regime, but (though I can only hope it never comes to this) all it takes is one freeper with a long memory to remember this one argument to cause endless headaches for us all should another 9/11 take place with a legitimately-elected president in place.

Don't give the bastards the opportunity - instead, nail them with the AWOL issue if you want to cast doubt on Bush*'s bravery, or the decision to continue to sit in that classroom if you want to trash his ability to be decisive. BushCo* has little to no defense against those points.
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katieforeman Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 11:10 PM
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16. Good Point
Also, we shouldn't politicize 911 because it's morally wrong and we definitlely don't want to get accused of politicizing 911 because it's politically wrong.

Hopefeully, when the commission's report comes out in August, the media will latch onto the details of that day and the days immediatley following 911. There should be lot's of stuff there. I know FAA records were handed over under threat of subpeona. There is probably some interesting information on timelines there.

We should take the high road and let the media do the dirty work on this one. The media will be hungry for every detail regaurding the events following 911 because the public will be hungry for details. They love this kind of story because it's easy to understand and it's sensational and emotional.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 11:47 PM
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17. He was afraid we might figure out he did it.
When he felt safe, he came back.
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