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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:18 PM
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Obama has won 16 states to the Clintons' 11.
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 08:23 PM by calteacherguy
After Saturday's contests in LA, NE. and WA he will have won 19 to the Clintons' 11, almost double.

Life is good.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:18 PM
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1. We can't get too cocky.
He could lose one of those states. I think he'll lose Maine.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:20 PM
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5. Maine is on Sunday. I was speaking of Saturday.
;-)
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:19 PM
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2. Land doesn't vote
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:23 PM
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29. Re-read the Constitution, Funkmaster
In matters of foreign policy and the appointment of federal judges, land does matter.

Not to mention the fact that for the last 7 years we've had a leader of the free world who's dumber than dirt.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:25 PM
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38. I've read it, buckmaster.
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 08:25 PM by MonkeyFunk
Land doesn't vote.

And the constitution is entirely silent on political primaries.

But the fact remains, more PEOPLE have voted for Clinton than for Obama.

Unless you're being sarcastic, then :P
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:19 PM
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Clinton has won more human voters. Land masses don't count.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:20 PM
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8. Barely, and not for long. nt
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:21 PM
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20. Land counts in the GE
Can Hillary compete in those lands ?
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haroldgiowa Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:31 PM
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56. Will Obama win Wyoming come fall? NT
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:56 PM
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87. No; population does. Check the Electoral College.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:22 PM
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24. But only in the lead by the super-delegates she can bribe. Billary is very effective in secret deal
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:19 PM
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3. Are there polls saying Obama will win WA? NT
NT
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:20 PM
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11. Yes there are.
Not that we need one..... nobody around here likes Hillary. (With the possible exception of Maria Cantwell's staff)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:21 PM
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19. There are, something like 55 - 41
And there's no real reason to think the northwest will go to Clinton. I just worry because Murray and Cantwell endorsed her and have a built-in organization.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:20 PM
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4. She has only won 6 states?
Thats sounds too low.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:21 PM
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14. That's right. nt
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:24 PM
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34. New York and California are two of them
It's not a small accomplishment
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:20 PM
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6. Facts I tell you. Mere facts. I oppose those facts and replace them with my own opinion
Yeah, let's see the story after Saturday. This is Obama's month.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:20 PM
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7. I think your counting is off
I count NH, NV, CA, AZ, OK, AR, TN, MA, NJ, NY and I suspect I'm missing a few.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:20 PM
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9. I Hope You're Not A Math Teacher
New Hampshire, Nevada, Florida, Michigan, California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Arkansas, New Mexico, and Arizona...


Twelve

You should call yourself SpecialEdStudentGuy...
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:22 PM
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22. he once made some post highlighting the fact that he is an "english teacher"...
with half the words spelled wrong.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:31 PM
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55. I wouldn't talk
cough (depends on what the meaning of "or" is) cough
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:39 PM
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83. Hey, I'm not an english teacher
:)
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:41 PM
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85. Just a quote changer. nt
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:49 PM
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86. Then why shouldn't I talk about Calguy being an english teacher?
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:35 PM
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89. No reason at all
Just letting you know that some people here know what kind of person you are.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:39 PM
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64. My Guess Is Phys Ed Or Industrial Arts
~
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:40 PM
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84. lol
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 09:40 PM by Lirwin2
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:23 PM
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26. michigan and florida? does`t count
new mexico is being recounted. that makes 9 or 10
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:24 PM
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She Won New Mexico
Ten is only equal to six if you're a Spec Ed student....


See post nine...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:44 PM
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68. i just read where they are going to recount every ballot...?
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:25 PM
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37. Florida, Michigan ... Hillary's snakes just can't get over the fact that they don't count.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:30 PM
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54. I'm Not A Snake, Idiot
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 08:32 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:27 PM
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45. Isn't it amazing that people
post stuff that is SO easy to debunk?
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importDavid Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:28 PM
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50. That's actually 13 ;)
Sorry, couldn't resist!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:35 PM
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59. I Never Claimed To Be DemocraticMathGuy
~
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:20 PM
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10. Let's not count our chickens before they hatch
Remember New Hampshire. There are also a lot of bonehead pollsters out there.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:21 PM
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12. 6?
I thought that she won 8 or 9 states on Tuesday alone?

I saw this stat on Obama's website, but I don't get it.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:21 PM
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13. 6?
AR, AZ, CA, MA, NV, NH, NJ, NM, NY, OK, TN

Am I missing something? Even if you throw out the "ties" its more than 6.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:25 PM
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36. plus Missouri was a tie,, if you wanna play the delgate shit
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:35 PM
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58.  Notice How Team Hillary Took The Missouri Tie With Grace And Didn't Piss And Moan For A Recount
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:41 PM
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66. Hillary has class.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:49 PM
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73. Did you see their speeches on Tuesday night?
Hillary was classy and Obama was combative.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:24 PM
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80. yes, Hill talked policy and Obama dissed Hil
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:28 PM
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51. Ok you fixed one...now 16?
IA, SC, AL, AK, CO, CT, DE, GA, ID, IL, KS, MN, MO, ND, UT

I've got 15.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:21 PM
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15. "Hey, my guy got the states with 12 people in 'em".
:hi:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:22 PM
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23. After The 00 Election Freepers Would Show A Map That Was Mostly Red
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 08:29 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
That's because the most densely populated areas vote Democratic...
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:26 PM
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43. Indeed. It was lame then too. NT
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:21 PM
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16. I count 8 or 9 on Tuesday alone for Hillary plus 4 others.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:21 PM
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17. Thanks for finding the most superficial take possible on the shallow horserace view of it.
Your point conveniently ignores the fact that she beat us in the two largest states that have voted so far. Winning California wasn't a fluke, it was the sign of a competant politician with a wide appeal outhustling our candidate.

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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:21 PM
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18. 6? more like 14


NH
Nevada
NY
California
NJ
Massachussets
American Samoa
Arizona
Arkansas
Tennessee
Oklahoma
Florida
Michigan
and more than likely New Mexico
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:22 PM
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25. Michigan and Florida don't count. No one campaigned there. nt
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:25 PM
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That was their dumbass fault
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:27 PM
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46. Yeah, what's the point of being ethical...
..and honoring pledges that you've signed?

Chumps indeed.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:25 PM
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40. Other candidates were on the ballot
Just not all candidates.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:28 PM
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49. Just not the other candidates people were interested in voting for....n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:29 PM
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52. Clinton was the only name on the MI ballot?
wanna bet?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:37 PM
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61. The only name of the top three candidates people were interested in voting for...
Yeah.

Would you like to bet?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:42 PM
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67. You wrote:
"Nobody else was even on the ballot in Michigan, fuck."


That is wrong. A rational person would just admit it, instead of changing the argument when it's so goddamn easy to copy and paste exactly what you wrote. It makes you look like an idiot.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:48 PM
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72. Whatever dude.
It's my freaking state. I know who was on the ballot there. It's pretty obvious what I meant.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:00 PM
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77. so "nobody else was even on the ballot"
means other people were on the ballot. Gotcha.

I didn't realize the language barrier was so distinct in Michigan.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:20 PM
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78. Yeah. You're pretty clever.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:38 PM
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62. Edwards and Obama were not on. I think thats what she means. nt
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:25 PM
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39. Sorry, but you can't win a game no one played in. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:25 PM
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81. Hey--DK was there.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:23 PM
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28. 1. American Samoa is not a state...
2.Florida and Michigan don't count
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:23 PM
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30. blah blah blah, you tell that to the voters chump
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:26 PM
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42. You mean the voters who had to chose between Clinton or Uncommitted?
Oh yeah, that's a real election.

Hey, if Hillary gets elected, maybe she can make all the elections that way. She'll get 100% of the vote and can stay President forever!
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libertee Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:22 PM
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21. It's not states..it's dele-gates
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:23 PM
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27. Where are people getting this idea that Louisiana is a given for Obama?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:24 PM
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33. I don't see that one either
Saturday could be a huge disappointment. I hope there is a good ground team out there. :scared:
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bornskeptic Donating Member (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:06 PM
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88. Louisiana's population is over 30% African-American,
which means at least 40% of Democratic voters, maybe 50%. If the AA vote breaks for Obama like it has in other southern states, Clinton has no shot.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:24 PM
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31. Six?
Nevada, New Hampshire, California, Massachussetts, Arizona, New York, New Jersey, Tennessee, Arkansas and Oklahoma add up to six?

Let's hope you don't teach algebra.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:24 PM
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35. CA counts for a lot more the Idaho, Utah, North Dakota, Delaware, and Connecticut combined.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:29 PM
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53. just NYCity voters alone equal the combined voters of 11 middle states combined too
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 08:37 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:32 PM
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57. and dont make me point out North dakota.....

That Obama can win that caucus with 65% and only get 8 delegates to Hillary's 5.

or Alaska which looks like 400 people participated in.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:39 PM
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65. I think Alaska was some convention-style thing?
I read somewhere today that it was excluded from popular vote totals of all the Super Tuesday states because it wasn't the same.

Though I would think that would apply to caucuses vs. primaries too.

I've seen some Alaskans on DU...
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:25 PM
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41. oops ....to bad acreage doesn't vote
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Crooked Moon Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:27 PM
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44. while it might be a morale boost for mr. obama
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 08:27 PM by Crooked Moon
it's not a contest of who can win more states or even more overall votes. the delegate count is what matters, and then only as a demonstration of momentum and electability for the superdelegates.
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hertopos Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:28 PM
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47. Those states are mostly small and
they are mostly caucus states.
He is not doing very well in real primary.
So called wide margin wins are mostly caucus states.
Cult members can do very well in caucus, most of them even don't have to work unlike Clinton supporters.

On the whole, there are more Hillary support than Obama supporter.

Hertopos
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:28 PM
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48. 6 of his Super Tuesday wins were red state caucuses.
He demonstrated no ability to appeal to mainstream Democrats.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:37 PM
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60. It seems like a lot of Hillary's states touch New York or Arkansas too
Though she did do OK in the Southwest.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:39 PM
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63. HOOT--a zillion Obamababy posts YELLED that is the delegates that counted HOOT
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:47 PM
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71. Shhhhhhhhhhhh!
That's NOT today's talking point!

:rofl:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:22 PM
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79. oops>
just too many to keep track of these days.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:46 PM
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69. Obama loses a state...
...and y'all are quick to remind everyone: It's the number of delegates that counts.

Clinton wins more delegates, and all of a sudden it's the number of states that counts.

It is hard to keep up with the constantly-shifting goalposts, but at least this one's clear.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:47 PM
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70. Yes it is clear.
Obamanation is going to shift the goal post to favor their show pony.
I promise you that if the Superdelegates go for Obama in a tight race, the Obambots who have decried them will suddenly do an about face.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:50 PM
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74. You know it.
Btw, love that endorsement in your sig line. You know, I always believed in the NY Post a lot more than that silly RFK, Jr. ;)
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:53 PM
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75. It was the "prize" endorsement of the primary season.
I was sincerely happy for Obama that he got it! :D
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:27 PM
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82. yeah--Obama babies do the flip flop real well
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:59 PM
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76. Too bad some of them are "empty" of people. loll
Seriously, More people voted for Clinton! NY, CA and NJ alone probably have more votes than most of Obama's wins. You do the math if you want to refute that. I can't be bothered. I seem to remember she got about 1 M more votes or maybe that was 100K... who knows.
After Saturday... she will probably still have more total votes. Wait till after Texas and PA and come back and we'll talk about it. Deal?
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