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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:50 AM
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She managed HillaryCare into the ground -- Will she do the same for the nation?
We all know Hillary's management skills are terrible, so why do so many think she can turn her skills around 180 degrees when running the entire government?

Do you really want (yet another) President who makes all their decisions in a behind-closed-doors manner?

Think about it.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:52 AM
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1. MUST we use Republican talking points here?
HillaryCare! My God. Where have we heard THAT before?

Look, criticize if you want, but at least avoid parroting Rush, Hannity, etc.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:09 AM
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6. We heard that from the insurance industry she met with behind closed doors, when
they decided to throw her under the bus after she threw the grass roots under the bus.

While I don't use the term myself I prefer to call it Hillary's betrayal of the grass roots and her made in secret extremely complicated, costly and virtually undecipherable welfare for insurance companies plan of 1993.

It's a little bulky, I will have to try to come up with a more economic term - I know. "Clinton Health-Care for Insurance Companies."
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:15 AM
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8. That's all they have!
Poor little things!
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:53 AM
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2. I work with someone who retired from the State Department a few years ago
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 09:54 AM by ursi
and he was in DC when Hillary was co-president. Told us lots of good stories about how employees of the White House were not allowed to look her in the eye when they saw her. How they had to turn their backs to the wall if she was coming down the hall and not look at her. And this was expected even before the Monica Lewinsky ordeal.

Can't even imagine how hard it has been for her to change her ways. The Senate has been good for her, I think.

When she was here in REno, a veteran stood up and asked her if we can expect more lies from her like we've had from Bush? Her answer was that Presidents are only as good as the information their staff gives them. Hmmmm.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:55 AM
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4. are you serious?
that sounds so childish.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:01 AM
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5. That story sounds like an urban myth, but it says a lot that people
would believe it and repeat it.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:13 AM
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7. I also have a friend of a friend who told me ...
... that Obama kicks dogs, told his daughters that there is no such thing as Santa Claus, and slaps his mama.

I've heard some whoppers in my day, but yours are the best!

--p!
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:16 AM
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11. "...only as good as the information their staff gives them"
That's pure bullshit. If that's her position then she's no better than Bush.

We need leaders who know how to get to the bottom of things BEFORE they get a lot of people killed and maimed. She was in a position to do so but failed miserably.
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:20 AM
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16. Eye contact
A friend's mom went to a Hillary fundraiser a while back. She was in front of and within 2 feet of Hillary and got no eye contact from her. Neither did anyone else in the vicinity. I noticed this in the debates, too. She hardly ever looked at the other candidates. She glanced their way, but never looked them in the eye.

My friend's mom (and my friend) are now Obama supporters.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:26 AM
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17. There is NO WAY any of that is true
The only President and/or First Lady of the last 100 years I'd believe that of is George W. Bush.

That would have been all over every single frigging media outlet in the world. And, they've been zero gossip about HRC being like that in any of her work or public experiences.

Ugh. Shameful.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 12:32 PM
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21. What utter b.s. I can't believe you repeated that here.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 12:34 PM
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22. Same exact story was spread about Barbra Streisand. I'm not buying it.
If you fell for that one, think of how many uninformed voters will fall for the "Hussein Obama's a muslim" stories that will be circulated?
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 12:35 PM
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23. I can believe it
A whole lot of celebrities and politicians run their shit that way.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 12:40 PM
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24. And I know people who've met her
and said she was extremely warm and gracious.

You must be thinking of Diana Ross.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 09:54 AM
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3. I don't support Hillary (I voted obama in primaries), but this is bullcrap
The truth is that Republicans torpedoed her attempts to bring in universal health care, and as a result of that, she's moderated her health care ideals (which is sad...because she was right the first time).

Let's keep things truthful.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:21 AM
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12. If you go to your public library and look for books that
cover that as part of the Clinton years, you will find things written close to that time where many good Democrats, Bradley is one I remember, really had problems with the way it was handled. (Using the indexes, this is a great way to see how people are seen from many perspectives.)
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:55 AM
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14. it's possible, but her attempt to bring government-run national healthcare
was right on the money.

For the same reason, I'm disappointed with all the candidates (mine included) because, with the exception of Kucinich, none of them will take for-profit HMOs out. It's obvious HMOs were a Nixon-era creation to make a profit on other people's misery. Government run systems work and work well in the rest of the industrialized world. The fact that nobody is willing to advocate that type of system here (except Michael Moore or Kucinich) is disconcerting.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:08 AM
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15. Even the Clinon biographies admit it had problems - it was never even brought to the Senate floor
The entire Senate Finance committee and others had problems with it, including people like Bill Bradley. It was not a government run single payer system as you suggest.

A single payer system couldn't pass at this point. Many, including Obama in the last debate, said that starting from scratch that is the way to go - but that's not where we are. His plan has a single payer Catastrophic insurance plan, which could theoretically lead to single payer - if you gradually lowered the limit. This could happen if it is seen that this feature succeeded in lowering overall costs. Eventually, it would be the insurance - and anything in front of it would essentially be prepaying standard medical costs.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 11:57 AM
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18. Isn't it much easier to judge by the examples of other industrialized nations
for most people without health insurance, all it takes is proof that it works in Canada, France, etc.

Hell, even the Cubans make it work with very little resources!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 12:24 PM
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19. The point is how to get from here to there
I doubt any Democrat thinks the hodge podge out there is good - I'm sure I could find quotes from every Democratic candidate who ran for even a day who does not say we are paying too much in the aggregate for healthcare and getting too little. That would be true for at least 2008, 2004, and 2000, before then the difficulty might be it is harder to find quotes.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:16 AM
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9. HillaryCare?
What's next, the Clenis?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:16 AM
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10. shame on you...no one has devoted more of their live to "we the people" Health Care ! ! .....
you disgust me
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 10:46 AM
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13. If 1993 Hillary were running, I wouldn't be supporting Obama
She was right then. She's wrong now.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 12:28 PM
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20. you swallow for Rush/Ann/Hannity/RWingnut's
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 12:29 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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