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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:18 PM
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Wes Clark on Hillary Clinton:
email I just received:

Dear ******,

Today, it's time to act again. But alone, I am just a single voice. So I am asking you to add your voice to mine. To help me send a message that our time is now. That we must act now to fix all that this administration has broken. That Hillary is the leader we need.

Please add your voice to mine. Contribute to Hillary's campaign today!


Click to contribute >>

Last Tuesday, more than 15 million Americans voted in Democratic primaries and caucuses across 22 states. In fact, Democrats outnumbered Republicans on Super Tuesday by a nearly 2-to-1 margin. It was an astounding display of democracy and a testament to the passion of Democrats and like-minded independents in this year's presidential primary.

As you know, I'm supporting Hillary Clinton for President. I could list countless reasons why, but I think one story about Hillary sums it all up.

After the war in Kosovo was over, she and the President flew in to meet the troops. I watched her engage with the privates, sergeants and the colonels. She knew the issues, she knew the personal aspects and she had their respect. In my talk with her, I could see she had followed the issues closely and was well in-tune with the military and diplomatic requirements. She could have been the Commander-in-Chief.

This race couldn't be closer -- and the stakes for our country couldn't be higher. Hillary is going to need millions of dollars to compete in the upcoming states, so I'm asking you to join me. Already, 75,000 people have contributed to Hillary since Super Tuesday. The time to act is now. Please contribute to Hillary today!

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/wesclark

Just think about what George W. Bush is leaving behind for the next President. Imagine walking into the Oval Office with a weakening economy, a broken health care system, fractured relationships with nations across the world, and of course, the mess in Iraq.

There is one candidate I know who can deal with these challenges right from Day One: Hillary Clinton.

The qualities I saw in Hillary that day in Kosovo are what we need today: Wisdom, compassion, intelligence, and moral courage.

I believe in Hillary deeply. I need you to stand with me -- right now. Make a contribution to Hillary's campaign today.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/wesclark

I spent 34 years in uniform because I love our country. After I retired, I saw this president take us needlessly into Iraq only to watch as our men and women in uniform made sacrifices while the war architects in the White House made none. I couldn't stand on the sidelines and do nothing.

In 2003, with your support, I ran for president. And though we were not successful, I know that our voices together made a difference.

Today, it's time to act again. But alone, I am just a single voice. So I am asking you to add your voice to mine. To help me send a message that our time is now. That we must act now to fix all that this administration has broken. That Hillary is the leader we need.

Please add your voice to mine. Contribute to Hillary's campaign and help her reach voters across America.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/wesclark

Thank you for your support over all these years. It heartens me to know that we are still connected -- fighting for what is right for our families, our country, and our future. And that we are still united by something I said several years ago: We can do better. We will do better. And we will do it together.

Sincerely,

Wes Clark
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:20 PM
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1. Wes Clark for Secretary of Defense!
Would he take it? Oh my god that would be amazing.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:23 PM
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3. I'm thinking VP.
Clinton/Clark

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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:23 PM
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4. If I remember correctly he can't....not out of service long enough maybe?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:32 PM
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10. That's correct. He retired in 2000. You have to be out of the military 10 Years
before you can be SOS.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:43 PM
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14. Thanks! I thought there was a time frame before he'd be eligible
Just wasn't sure of the details.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:34 PM
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11. well crap
The SecDef has to have been retired for 10 years. Clark retired in 2000. Close, but no cigar.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:45 PM
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15. Yup. He'd be great in lots of other adminsitration jobs though.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:23 PM
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5. No thank you. He doesn't stand on principle...only politics apparently. See my prior post. n/t
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:22 PM
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2. Wes Clark is a hypocrite. He continued to support HRC after her Kyl/lieberman vote
despite is prior continued sparing with Lieberman about Iran.


He consistently took Lieberman to task for his Iran stance. He endorsed Hillary. When Hillary voted for Kyl/Lieberman, he failed to pull his endorsement. I lost a lot of respest for him as a result. He became very political as opposed to fighting for what is right.

http://www.stopiranwar.com/?page_id=10

Joe Lieberman is at it again
Wes Clark | June 12, 2007

After wrongly supporting George W. Bush’s strategic blunder of attacking Iraq, and continuing to support Bush’s failed policies after the invasion, Senator Joe Lieberman made irresponsible comments this weekend regarding military action against Iran.

On CBS’s Face the Nation, Lieberman said, “If don’t play by the rules, we’ve got to use our force, and to me, that would include taking military action to stop them from doing what they’re doing.”

This type of “tough-talk” by the Bush Administration and folks like Senator Joe Lieberman is why VoteVets.org and I collaborated to create StopIranWar.com, calling for heavy diplomatic, economic, and political action to discourage the acquisition of nuclear capabilities by the Iranian government.

Over 40,000 people have signed our petition to President Bush, urging him to work with our allies and use every diplomatic, political, and economic option at our disposal to deal with Iran. Add your name to the petition today at StopIranWar.com. Now urge all of your friends and family to do the same.

Senator Lieberman’s saber rattling does nothing to help dissuade Iran from aiding Shia militias in Iraq, or trying to obtain nuclear capabilities. In fact, it’s highly irresponsible and counter-productive, and I urge him to stop.

This kind of rhetoric is irresponsible and only plays into the hands of President Ahmadinejad, and those who seek an excuse for military action. What we need now is full-fledged engagement with Iran. We should be striving to bridge the gulf of almost 30 years of hostility and only when all else fails should there be any consideration of other options. The Iranians are very much aware of US military capabilities. They don’t need Joe Lieberman to remind them that we are the militarily dominant power in the world today.

Only someone who never wore the uniform or thought seriously about national security would make threats at this point. What our soldiers need is responsible strategy, not a further escalation of tensions in the region. Senator Lieberman must act more responsibly and tone down his threat machine.

We cannot let people like Joe Lieberman dictate the terms of this debate.

Urge all of your friends and family to sign the petition at StopIranWar.com today.

Thank you for all you do.

Sincerely,

Wes Clark

Clark, Lieberman Spar Over Iran
Hartford Courant | David Lightman | June 12, 2007

Joe Lieberman has triggered a war of words over Iran.

The senator told CBS’ “Face the Nation” Sunday that the U.S. should be prepared to strike Iran if necessary. He repeated that view Monday on the Fox News Network, saying, “It’s time to understand we’re prepared to take military action” to “take out” the bases where Iranians are training extremists to kill U.S. military personnel in Iraq.

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark had heard enough.

“Sen. Lieberman’s saber rattling does nothing to help dissuade Iran from aiding Shia militias in Iraq, or trying to obtain nuclear capabilities,” said Clark, who in 2004 was one of Lieberman’s rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“In fact,” said Clark, “it’s highly irresponsible and counter-productive, and I would urge him to stop.”

Lieberman wasn’t stopping.

Asked about Clark’s remarks, he said, “We’ve got some enemies out there … we’re not going to defeat them with a lot of talk and warm embraces.”

Clark took further aim at Lieberman: “Only someone who never wore the uniform or thought seriously about national security would make threats at this point.”

Lieberman got military deferments during the Vietnam era because first he was in college and was later married with children.

http://www.stopiranwar.com/?page_id=10
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:23 PM
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6. when you want a job bad enough, ethics and scruples go out the window
I wish I could give a repsponse a rec and not the whole thread.
Good on ya.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:24 PM
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7. I think Clark's doing OK for himself
It's amazing how people will smear ANYBODY who made a choice they don't like.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:31 PM
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8. LOL! At least SHE had the balls to put a vote "on the record"...unlike your
chickenshit candidate.

Wes Clark works for her campaign. I'm sure he advised her how to vote on that piece of shit legislation. At least she voted and didn't hide behind a "no vote"...which your guy is real good at doing.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:32 PM
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9. isnt there a saying about "first do no harm"? better a non vote than a bad vote
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:34 PM
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12. When you are an elected Senator, you need to VOTE and stop hiding behind "present" and "no votes."
That seems to be Obama's specialty.:eyes:
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:39 PM
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13. I don't understand how so many Wes Clark fans turned to Obama.
I hope some of them read this letter and change their minds. However, I won't count on it!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:48 PM
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16. I know. and one inparticular...
you know who I mean? Meow!

:hi:
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:48 PM
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17. Maybe because he is a hypocrite! See previous post and articles!
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 03:48 PM by Windy
wake up to political gamesmanship and opportunism!
http://www.stopiranwar.com/?page_id=10
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:58 PM
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18. I'll give you my explaination
What I saw in Wes Clark was someone who championed intelligent discourse, progressive government, standing up for your beliefs without being being divisive.
He spoke out against the going into Iraq from the get go but understood just voting to cut funding wasn't likely to work while Bush was in the White house.
I saw him as a smart guy who because he came from modest beginnings, hadn't lost his touch with the public.

I'm still a fan of Wes Clark. I wish he had caught the publics attention like Obama has - Wes would be sailing toward his 2nd term now.
I just don't agree with Clark that Clinton is the best suited for the nomination.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 05:29 PM
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26. Same here
I was an ardent Wes Clark supporter in 2003 and 2004. I was one of the first people to join the Wes Clark meet up Group in my area of Southern California. I maxed out on my contribution to his campaign and helped organize and went to at least 60 or 70 meetings and worked my ass off several times a week handing out flyers at tables on street corners, on university campuses, and the like. I still admire Wes Clark very much and was disappointed to see his support for Hillary Clinton. Clinton is a lot more hawkish on international affairs as a simple visit to her Sentate website and reading her speeches and position papers will verify. Wes Clark to me seems to be more interested in the diplomatic approach than Hillary Clinton. Wes Clark was interviewed by the Arab Times newspaper before he ran and said "we must understand the Islamic perspective". This was a particularly courageous thing for Wes Clark to say because it came shortly after others had voted for war. You will never, ever hear Hillary Clinton voice that opinion and offer to reach out to the other side to understand them and try to compromise with them. She has expressed not one single word of compassion for the Palestinian civilians, for example.

I still like Wes Clark and would much prefer to be voting for him instead of the two choices I now have.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 04:33 PM
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19. Don't fall for it!!! Wes is a cult leader! Haven't you ever heard of the "Clark Five"? n/t
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Larry in KC Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 05:05 PM
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22. That's DAVE Clark.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 05:27 PM
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25. *smurf*
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 04:34 PM
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20. Wes for VP!
I love Clark. He was my 2nd choice in 2004.
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Larry in KC Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 05:04 PM
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21. I have such high respect for Wes Clark...
and I have agreed with him, marvelled at his insight and ability, so much since 2003, that when he announced his support of Hillary, I actually thought, and not just fleetingly, "Well, maybe it's me. Maybe I'm the one who's wrong."

That doesn't sound like that big a deal, but when you think about it, how many politicians or others in public life would have that effect on you? When they do something you don't agree with, you might be disgusted, or you might give them a reluctant pass, but in almost all cases, you'll be convinced that you're the one who's right, so they're obviously wrong. Wes, though, has earned a lot of credit with me over the years.

I won't get into the whole candidate debate here, I'll just say that despite being led to give Hillary another, closer look, Obama still won out for me, obviously in disagreement with Wes.

It's a tempting fallback position to hope that if Hillary wins, there's a high office for Wes in the offing, something almost worthy of his gifts. My best hope now, though, is that since Wes has conducted himself with such integrity, even in opposition, Obama will also want such a capable and honorable person in his administration.

Or, of course, a brokered convention in which both sides agree to Clark as the perfect candidate.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 05:23 PM
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23. I'd be very happy with Clark as the nominee...but I want him to win is fair and square.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 05:26 PM
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24. Are you going to create a new thread for all the emails you receive from the campaign?
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