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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:52 PM
Original message
Why are Obama supporters trying to score points on the media's insult of Chelsea Clinton?
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 12:59 PM by OzarkDem
How is using the news media's reference to her as a whore helpful to Obama?

For heaven's sake, do you folks realize how bad that makes you look? Does Obama realize how bad it makes him look?

I don't know if I can recall another incident where a Dem candidate has stooped so low to insult another Dem in the primary.

Wow, just wow!
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:52 PM
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1. Link?
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:55 PM
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12. Just search DU threads. The Obama Spammers are
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 12:56 PM by neutron
spamming anti hillary threads out of any and everything.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:00 PM
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31. Why is this poster willing to make FRAUDULENT unsupported statements to slime a DEM??
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #31
54. its common knowledge (i would add -some) to the post. -no link needed--use your Seach key if you mus
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:52 PM
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2. What did he say? nt
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:53 PM
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3. What are you
going on about? Do you have a link to Obama's statements?

Mz Pip
:dem:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:53 PM
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4. Link? Or are you lying again?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:55 PM
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10. almost certainly the latter n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:57 PM
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19. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:53 PM
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5. What in the heck are you talking about?
:crazy:
:wtf:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. Look at this forum
Its filled with posts that either say Clintons exaggerated or were trying to score political points or that she deserved it.

That's crazy, I've never seen this kind of thing before among Dems.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #11
23. So "this forum" is the words from Obama's mouth?
Is this your fantastic leap into the world of the insane?

Are you that fucking nuts? Do you wonder why people are bagging on Clinton supporters when you post absolute garbage like this?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:54 PM
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6. That's quite an assertion...
Based on what?
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:54 PM
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7. Good grief, we have a lot of Obama derangement syndromers on this forum
Provide proof and please stop it with the fake outrage.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:54 PM
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8. WTF?
:shrug:
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:54 PM
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9. Whoever rec'd this should be banned immediately.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. Just because you disagree
doesn't mean you get to ban people.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #9
66. An Obamacamper wants dissent banned. How cool (NOT)
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:56 PM
Original message
What did he say OD?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:57 PM
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21. I'm referring to the threads of his supporters
Just take a look at this forum, its evident what's going on.

Unless his campaign comes out and disavows this kind of thing, one can only assume he supports it.

His supporters aren't helping their candidates at all.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #21
30. Holy shit, you are dense
So just because his supporters are "supporting it" means Obama supports it also?

That may be the dumbest fucking logic I have ever fucking heard.

God help yourself if you think that way.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. There's stupid and then there's
jaw dropping stupid.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #30
47. Answer the question
Ad hominem attacks are so boring.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #47
53. Strawmen arguments are bullshit
You have no argument. You are trying to project the feelings of Obama's supporters onto Obama, which is complete and utter bullshit.

Go get fucking laid and stop being so negative. You really drag this forum down.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #47
56. Here's your answer: Neither the slime attacks on Senator Obama
nor the slime attacks on Senator Clinton, here on DU are reflective of the candidates themselves, and outside of DU, they mean zip. duh.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. You still didn't answer the question
Why are Obama's supporters trying to score points this way? Do you approve of it? Do you think Obama approves of it? Is it justified?

If Obama supporters can't answer these questions, perhaps they should think twice before resorting to such tactics.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #61
74. Enough with your feeble crap.
Both sides here do it. YOU do it more than most. Your are owed nothing but the near universal taunts and condemnation you caught on this thread for the lies you had to change and your disgusting behavior.

You are beneath contempt.

bye bye
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #74
78. Some Obama supporters don't like being held accountable
No one should get a free ride to unfairly disparage other Dem candidates. Some supporters don't think that rule applies to them and when its pointed out, they get very touchy.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #78
81. ack. there's something really wrong with you.
I'll leave you alone. You're sick.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:56 PM
Response to Original message
13. What the hell are you talking about? Get ahold of yourself!
:spank:
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:56 PM
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14. Does anyone smell the stink of a troll? nt
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:56 PM
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16. You're lying, Ozark.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. two words, katz:
SMEAR ARTIST
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #16
35. Prove it
Read the threads in this forum.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:56 PM
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17. Link or Slink. nt
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. Ozark
OzarkDem should be banned for libel.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. Got proof?
Take a look at this forum, read the posts of the Obama supporters on the subject.

Truth hurts.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. So, anonymous posters on DU = Obama himself?
:crazy:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. Discuss
You guys are busted again for your low-brow campaign tactics.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #34
40. "you guys"
Um, I have never participated in smear campaigns. Thankyouverymuch.

Again, does anonymous posters on DU = Obama himself? Please answer the question.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #40
51. No answer? No justification?
Does that mean you approve of Obama folks using the Chelsea incident to score points for your candidate?

Is that what you're saying? Let's hear your side of the story.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #51
92. Again, you didn't answer my question.
Not surprising.

You changed the thread topic. You said Obama was pushing this, and he isn't period. Sorry, you started a stupid thread. Anonymous posters on DU do not equate Obama. I don't put much stock into what anonymous posters on DU are doing, because to be frank, there are many nasty people out here, and they're "supporters" of various candidates.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #34
42. How are you imputing
what posters say here, to Obama himself? That's beyond ridiculous. You must've lost your grip on reality. Step away from the keyboard and get out of the house for a couple of hours.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #42
55. Answer the question, friend
Why are Obama's supporters engaging in this kind of tactic re the Chelsea incident.

Insult me all day if you want, I don't care. In the end, you're still not answering the question or defending the actions of your fellow Obama supporters.

I'm waiting.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #55
84. haven't
ready any of the Chelsea threads. The story doesn't interest me.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:00 PM
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29. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #29
38. Defend the Obama supporters
Why are they trying to use the MSNBC incident to help Obama score points?
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:56 PM
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18. Link?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:58 PM
Response to Original message
22. Obama issued a statement deploring Shuster's comments
He has fully supported both Hillary and Chelsea Clinton on this.

Many of Obama's DU supporters are taking a line very different than Obama himself, but he can not be blaimed for that.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #22
59. Thanks, I did not know he had issued a statement. Good.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #22
63. No. the vast majority of Obama supporters on DU
whole heartedly denounced Schuster's comments. Some thought that suspending him was too harsh, others of us thought it appropriate. The OP is disgusting.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #63
68. I said many, Cali, not most, and I think that is a fair statement
and what I actually said, bending over backwards to be fair, was that many took "a different line" than Obama. I am talking about the posters who are leading with their outrage at Hillary Clinton rather than leading with their support of both Hillary and Chelsea Clinton in this matter, the way that Barack Obama has himself.

I am very appreciative of the diplay of Democratic and common sense unity toward both Clintons in this regard shown by most of Obama's DU supporters.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:58 PM
Response to Original message
24. It is a shame that the original post is so misleading...
apparently, the OP is now backing up to saying certain Obama supporters here at GD:P made certain accusations. That is very different from Obama saying anything.

This whole thread should be deleted.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:59 PM
Response to Original message
27. Do you realize you've just slandered Obama?
That is just wrong.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. Changed it - now discuss
and keep in mind, unless he disavows all that is being said by his supporters, he is guilty by association.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. guilty by association?
You are truly beyond help.

off to ignore with you
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. hey, genius
just as much fucking trash is talked here by Clinton supporters as by Obama supporters. YOU are rock solid proof of that. And anyone who's sane, realizes that neither Senator Clinton nor Senator Obama is remotely fucking responsible for what's said on DU.

Idiotic.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #32
48. Obama needs to disavow a comment made on DU? Put down the pipe. n/t
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:10 PM by ResetButton
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #48
58. No answer, no defense?
Are you saying you agree that its ok for Obama's supporters to score points for him by exploiting the Chelsea incident?

Or do you disagree? Discuss.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #58
71. habeas corpus
You still haven't posted actual links.

Show me the body.


If you can.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #71
79. Downthread
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #58
83. Who said what, and why should I be obligated to agree or disagree?
:crazy:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #83
87. because you're guilty by association, according to the OP
:eyes:
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. There's some crazy-ass shit goin on in here
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #32
90. Do you really think he has time to cruise these boards?
I would say he is very busy.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #27
36. I'd say
backtracked. He edited his title to "Obama supporters" lol
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. Answer it
and I said I would correct it for those who misunderstood the original wording.

Defend the words of Obama supporters here.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. Defend the words of Clinton supporters here.
One just wrote that Obama has rejected all white people. Defend that.

Stupid.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. The topic of this thread is the Chelsea insult
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:08 PM by OzarkDem
It deserves and explanation, lets hear it.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #45
57. Oh bullshit
You defend every Clinton comment that is negative towards Obama here and then maybe we'll oblige to your request.

Do you realize how stupid your argument sounds? You obviously don't.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #43
67. Typical Rovian style response----Change the topic
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. It's amazing, isn't it?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #70
86. Do you realize that you're agreeing
with that poster, who called my comments "rovian"?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #67
85. no. seriously, my point is that both sides slime the other side's
candidate, and that in no way reflects upon either Senator. If you're so slow you can't even see that, it's just sad. And shove the "rove" smear where the sun don't shine.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #36
50. He needs to modify it more
I think what Shuster said was way beyond the limit of decent commentary and I've read plenty comments by Obama supporters who concur.

There are millions of supporters for each candidate. Neither Obama or Hillary have the time to filter through every post on every discussion forum to ferret out the inappropriate ones.

Guilt by association is a pretty lame attack.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #50
62. Read the threads here on the topic
Do you approve? Why would Obama supporters resort to these tactics? Is it right?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:07 PM
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44. Come on, folks, explain yourselves
How is this a good idea? How does this represent Dem ideals?

The coarsening of political discourse from the new Obama generation is a pretty sorry state of affairs. I'd be willing to write it off to inexperience, but either way it needs to stop.

Wake up folks, you're hurting your own party. Isn't that something that concerns you?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:10 PM
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52. Deleted message
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:07 PM
Response to Original message
46. because they really don't have much to post,
His meet up , is nothing more than a rock star thing, nothing of substance. Do you know what his policies are I don't and I watch every time either are on the tube.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:08 PM
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49. Prove it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:14 PM
Response to Original message
60. Change your headline to 'some"
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #60
65. Start your own thread
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:15 PM
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64. Deleted message
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #64
69. when you see the links you may be ashamed of some of your fellow supporters.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. more like 'if' I see the links
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:23 PM by DS1
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #69
76. Here's a quote from the OP:
"I don't know if I can recall another incident where a Dem candidate has stooped so low to insult another Dem in the primary."

Prove to me that Senator Obama has supported Shuster's comments in any way.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #64
73. Plenty of threads here, check the posts within
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4498830&mesg_id=4498830

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4497661&mesg_id=4497661


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4498325&mesg_id=4498325

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4485803&mesg_id=4485803

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4500358#4500535
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:25 PM
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75. That's the weakest shit I've seen all week
Christ you're a clown.


It should have not been said, in one of the links you posted, which wasn't a thread but a reply, that this was a win for the Clintons.

That's it. I'm not defending that.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:25 PM
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77. ALL attacks on Clintons are fair game for ObamaNation
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:26 PM by DemGa
The most bizarre "Democratic Party" phenomenon I've ever seen.

It's gonna be a wild scene when embracing right-wing talking points and smearing the Clintons comes back to bite them.

Oh man indeed!!
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #77
80. So far, the 5 "threads" posted are absolutely laughable
and even if one reply within one of those threads about Clinton being a victim about Schuster was wrong, your very own response hammers home the point.

Wah.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:30 PM
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82. Agree, its new for me
I've not seen this level of attacks against fellow Dems in quite a while.

Then again, the ad featuring Dean morphing into Osama in 2004 was pretty bad. IIRC, it turned out there were GOP consultants behind that campaign. It makes you wonder about some of the more radical Obama supporters.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:52 PM
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89. i take it did`t read the posts from the obama supporters
that thought his remarks were sexist,uncalled for,and down right ugly...i guess you missed my 4 posts where i stated he should be fired. after all in my world that would be a instant dismissal. i to have seen those posts you are talking about and i find them stupid. you have been here longer than i have and you should know you have to take the good with the bad,esp every couple of years..
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:22 PM
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91. much more dimplomatic than my approach, but spot on accurate
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