If Hillary is president, will she be more liberal than her husband?

An honest question to all her supporters.

If Hillary is elected president, do you think she'll be more to the left with her policies than Bill?

I know I'm painting a broad, generalized brush here with Bill, but humor me with an answer. Bill was considered more of a moderate Democrat, will HRC govern more to the left than Bill?

as I think the only way to keep this bus from veering over the right side of the cliff is to turn further left.

We can't keep going to the middle to appease the Repugs. They'll never be happy either way.

Some of her issues are on the liberal side.

Financing a campaign is much more expensive than when Bill ran, so she owes even more favors than he did.

Kyl-Lieberman and her "tough talk" on Iran, etc. Hopefully, her social stances would be better.

that Bill worked from.

she I think is the more ideological version of Bill Clinton. Also, this time around, liberalism is resurgent, and in the 90s it was on the decline, and the Clintons were sent to slow the decline that began with Nixon, and hit its ebb in the Reagan Era. There is also a liberal base now, there wasn't in 92. She also has more clout than Bill had when he became president because the insiders respect her more BECAUSE she is an insider, and they know her well, and have so for many 15 years now.

if only in the areas of health care and education.

one could also argue, despite some hawkish tendencies, that she would be more liberal in terms of defense and foreign policy.

smarter and more liberal than Bill. She was against NAFTA in 1992, but he was the President. She will do good by us. People learn and change (usually for the better) as life goes on. She loves Bill Clinton , but she is not Bill Clinton.

I love Bill, but it's hard to fathom the last president we had that was purely liberal was 30+ years ago in Jimmy Carter.

win in the general. She may never be far left, but she will be more left than Bill was. I love Bill also.:hi:

This primary process has taken alot of us, but I think at the end of the day , once we choose a nominee, Bill will go back to being sainted among all Democrats.

I found this beautiful letter at Our Chart, one of the more popular GLBT web sites (thanks to the L-word)

open letter published at Our Chart

A Message to LGBT Americans: “I Want to be Your President”

February 4, 2008 - 12:52pm — editor
On the eve of Super Tuesday, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton offers up a message of support for the LGBT community. Read the New York Senator's guest post below.

By Senator Hillary Clinton

As I have traveled around the country these past twelve months, what I sensed in my heart has been confirmed – America is embracing its LGBT sons and daughters with an acceptance and understanding as never before. On the campaign trail, a father of a gay son will ask about ending Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. A woman will ask why she can be discriminated against just because of who she is. Sometimes they wait furtively for the crowd to thin and then whisper their confidences in a soft voice and sometimes they stand up proudly at town meetings and want me to share my views on how I will help lead the change to assure that this country fulfills its promise to everyone.

Let me tell you what I have been telling voters across America. I am fully committed to the fair and equal treatment of LGBT Americans. For seven long years, the Bush Administration has tried to divide us - only seeing people who matter to them. It's been a government of the few, by the few, and for the few. And no community has been more invisible to this administration than the LGBT community.

I will change that. The best evidence of what I will do as President is what I have already done.

I am proud of my record as First Lady, as a U.S. Senator and as a candidate for President in working toward the fair and equal treatment of LGBT Americans.

· I am proud that as Chair of the Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee in 2006, I worked closely with LBGT community to develop a smart strategy that defeated the Federal Marriage Amendment. I am proud of fighting the FMA as divisive wedge politics at its worst.

· I am proud to be a co-sponsor of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act, and the Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligation Act which would grant the same benefits (including health insurance) to domestic partners of federal employees that are currently offered to employees’ legal spouses.

· I am proud to have authored the Early Treatment for HIV Act, which expands access to vital treatment options for low-income individuals living with HIV, and fought to fully fund the Ryan White CARE Act.

· I am proud that I hired a National Director of LGBT Outreach within a month of announcing my candidacy for President and to have openly gay and lesbian staffers serving at all levels of my campaign.

...

My father was a conservative Republican, who held very traditional views for much of his life. Yet in his last years, it was a gay couple who lived next door who provided much of the compassion and comfort he and my mother needed as he grew ill. And it was that same neighbor who held his hand as he died. If my father can move, America can move.

To each and every LGBT American, I say this. You have done so much to help this country understand your lives by simply being open and honest about who you are and living your lives with dignity. Thank you for your courage. It is time that we recognize your hard work. I know that this country is ready for changes in the law that reflect the evolution in our hearts.

America deserves a President who appeals to the best in each of us, not the worst; a President who values and respects all Americans and treats all Americans equally no matter who they are or who they love. I want to be that President. I want to be your President.


whole letter
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LUV YA HILLARY ...AND I REALLY DO MEAN IT!

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attempt to heal the gays.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/obamas-gospel-concert-tour/

Obama's decision to hire and tour around with a ex-gay revival-style preacher who claims to be able to cure the gays -- "deliver them from homosexuality" deeply offended all our sensibilities, especially my son's, my beloved gay son.

What message was Obama hoping to send out with McClurkin? We don't know with certainty, but this is how my family received it: Don't hate the gays -- embrace your sick brother -- we have the cure!
My son said to me "imagine a politician speaking out during the heat of the black civil rights movement and offering to de-colorize your skin."

I understood at that moment, the excrutiating pain my son has endured for years. It's incomprehensible to me that after all that has happened with the Bush administration and its overt discrimination against the GLBT that we have someone equally offensive running in the primaries.

and for you having to watch it. I think all of us deserve love and respect.

in politics, in the media, and in the population.

He started out very liberal but needed to scale back his goals due to major pushback against the liberal agenda

Bill Clinton was a conservative southern democrat, and has always governed as such. Her values and beliefs have always been more progressive than his, in my opinion.

if you're interested:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4361720&mesg_id=4361720

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

And you make a great argument for why, unlike others here. I like the fact that she is partisan and not afraid to say it, like you said.

She may be a more transformative president than Obama, she may not. But I don't think we lose with either as president.

where some of us could discuss issues such as these in a civil, rational manner without all the hysteria.

would probably be the best bet. This forum, GD:P, I would presume, will be like this until November.

Obama wants to compromise with the Indies and Rethugs. In order to do that he has to become more centrist.

From 1930 through the 1950, this nation was run by moderation, with the southern conservative democrats and the Northern moderate republicans. This body could pass any law or stop legislation in it tracks, and in my opinion that is the way Clinton tried to lead the nation, not too far to the Left and a little toward the right....How in the hell would you have prescribed for him to deal with a republican house and senate.

Hillary is a DINO. A place holder till 2012. Nothing more. She is a member in good standing of the DLC. How can Hillary be any kind of Liberal?

No wonder this country is going down the tubes with so many people thinking Hillary is the answer to anything good. Blind support of politicians because of party affiliations or gender is killing this country.

even if they ultimately agree on general policies.