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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:30 PM
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Hillary on why she expects to lose Washington
But Mrs. Clinton, who has not done as well in the caucus states as Mr. Obama has, winning only two of nine so far, suggested that she did not expect to win in Washington, as many of her supporters would be too busy working to break away from their schedules and spend the time to caucus for her.

“If this were a primary, where everybody could vote all day, I’d feel pretty good about it,” she said. “But it’s not. It’s a caucus.”

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Conversely, does she mean Obama's supporters are not busy and don't work so he will win?


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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:31 PM
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1. Oh brother
:popcorn:
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:32 PM
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2. I'm just proud to live in an America where people are too busy working
three jobs to vote. Uniquely proud.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:36 PM
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9. Me too... damn happy.
honest.

*grumble* :grr:

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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:32 PM
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3. Its saturday... I guess its only all those employed in the jobs created by NAFTA that support her?
What irony.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:33 PM
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5. regardless of who benefits or not
caucuses are clearly undemocratic.

Nobody should have to be in a particular place in a two-hour time span to vote.
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:37 PM
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11. I'm an Obama supporter, but caucuses make me a bit uneasy ...
when I look at Obama winning Western caucuses by 30-40 points on Super Tuesday (and getting delegates assigned accordingly), it's a little hard to justify when you know primaries would be far, far closer.

But the fact is that both sides have unfair advantages this year- Hillary has her superdelegates and the good chance she'll get delegates from Michigan and Florida.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:39 PM
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12. Hillary has the unfair advantage of untold name recognition......
and her husband's record to run on- Now that's priceless.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:22 PM
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29. How many voters
don't know Obama's name?

I think the name recognition argument is a silly stupid at this point.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:39 PM
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13. I'm not trying to make it fair between the two candidates.
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:41 PM by MonkeyFunk
I'm saying caucuses are just inherently undemocratic.

If our national elections were held that way, there'd be an uproar.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:45 PM
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19. without a doubt
caucuses don't make sense in the modern age
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:52 PM
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24. I see Pro-nonsense has had her Cheerios today.
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 02:05 PM by liberalnurse
Our DU version of "Tokyo Rose" propaganda machine..........

" Democratic GI....your wife has left you for Barak Obama, you should surrender to his power, your country has abandoned you, Obama will take you into enlightenment"...

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5140/

“Hello, You Fighting Orphans”: “Tokyo Rose” Woos U.S. Sailors and Marines
During World War II, a dozen female broadcasters, collectively dubbed “Tokyo Rose” by U.S. troops, provided a diversion from the horrors of war. Set up by the Japanese military and using the powerful signal of Radio Tokyo, these Tokyo Roses were on the air nightly, broadcasting English-language shows designed to make American soldiers and sailors nostalgic and homesick. One such Tokyo Rose, U.S. citizen Iva Ikuki Toguri D’Aquino, described her August 14, 1944, broadcast as “sweet propaganda” and played tunes whose titles (for example, “My Resistance Is Low”) were designed to demoralize her listeners. Although some soldiers and sailors may have felt the occasional twinge of homesickness while listening to Tokyo Rose’s broadcasts, most simply ignored the propaganda and insults while hoping to hear their favorite popular songs.

Pro-nonsense attempts to demoralize democrats to vote Obama not Clinton.



"Hillary Clinton will slaughter your kittens.............Where is Socs the Cat?

" See..........the Clintons have covered this up. Demand a Congressional Hearing!
A vote for Hillary is a vote for a yellow dog society without cats!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYypEW94GyU&feature=related


BY Pro-nonsense!
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:46 PM
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20. I was going to say, I thought it took place on a weekend.
So sad that the majority of people are having a hard time, if Clinton is to be believed, finding jobs that have a traditional Monday-Friday work week.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:32 PM
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4. I gotta admit, she's incredibly good at the spin.
She won't win because her supporters are hard working people and Obama's are a bunch of slacker losers. :eyes:

It's SATURDAY.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:35 PM
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8. You don't know anybody who works on saturdays?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:44 PM
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16. Are all people who work on Saturdays Hillary supporters? n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:23 PM
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30. No
who said that?

But she does do better with blue-collar, low income workers, so it's more likely they'd be the ones working today.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:09 PM
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33. you think
all the succesful professional people that favor Obama got there by working 9 to 5? Mon-Fri?

I'd say it's a wash.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:24 PM
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31. ironic. it isnt usually the slacker losers-

that show up!
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:34 PM
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6. Gee....I thought SEIU endorsed Obama
Mmmmmmm....Seems like a very large block of his base will be working too....

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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:35 PM
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7. Yea - and I could be skiing today...
But instead I'll be driving through all that snow to caucus for OBAMA!

Quite the rationalization there Hillary. :hi:
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:36 PM
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10. This primary season has shown clearly that caucuses have to go regardless of who wins them. nt
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:40 PM
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14. Why? Because Hillary is losing most of them?
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:42 PM
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15. I said regardless of who wins them. They are undemocratic. Been saying that since Iowa 2000...nt
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:47 PM
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21. without a doubt
caucuses make no sense in the modern age. They were awesome back in the 1800's though.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:44 PM
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17. Hillary and her 'poor me' card. Can you imagine 4 more years of that crap?
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:15 PM
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35. OMG, excellent point. Will she accuse foreign leaders of sexism?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:45 PM
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18. Please don't dismiss the non-representational nature of caucuses.
It's a very real problem, working class people cannot vote because of their dynamics. You have an hour to vote, and at least an hour or two more of your day is spent doing that vote. Most working class people can't afford to do it. People who live by the paycheck. They just don't.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:51 PM
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23. Ridiculous argument
Most states, including Washington, hold their regular elections on Tuesday. I would say that prevents a lot more workers from voting than the Saturday caucus, which was chosen deliberately to be on a day that the majority of people DON'T work.

Hillary Wal-Mart NAFTA Clinton is no defender of the working class.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:54 PM
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27. Dismissing it again, eh?
Many of the working class do indeed work on Saturday, and again, it's unlikely even for those who don't, that they're going to spend the 3-4 hours they have off at a caucus, when they could be catching some sleep or relaxing on the one day of the week they're not slaving away.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:54 PM
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26. You know who supports caucus's...
even though they are bias against working class voters, Randi Rhodes :puke:.
She wants them because they favor Obama :puke:.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:48 PM
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22. Yeah, us Obama supporters are all on welfare.
:rofl:
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samrock Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:54 PM
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25. I do not like caucuses

They seem so unfair.. Ya have to be at a certain place.. during a certain time period.. No absentee voting.. I think ALL states should have primaries.. Caucuses were for an earlier time.. not now in 2008.. I hope for 2012 there will ne NO caucuses..
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:13 PM
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34. It seems all Hillary supporters agree with you .. not surprising.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:55 PM
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28. She's probably right, but not because people are working today
The primary vote (on the 19th) doesn't count for the Dems. It's the caucusii today. All but 2 of WA counties are vote by mail only, so there's a better chance that early mail-ins and name recognition would have worked better for Hillary in a primary.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:27 PM
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32. FACT Obama can only win in OPEN CAUCUS....not in a ballot closed Primary state...do the research fol
the truth shall set thee free!


oh wait....he did win in LIEbermans Connecticut

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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:32 PM
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36. Hillary: "I can't motivate my supporters" nt
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