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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:39 PM
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the American Idol Candidate
Is this how severely our mass culture has deteriorated? Our presidential primaries appear to have transformed into an episode of American Idol, with millions glomming on to a candidate whose record they haven't studied. How many of these glassy-eyed groupies can discuss any of Obama's senate votes, articulate his plans for the US, or reconcile his rhetoric with his actions?
Choosing our next president is an extremely serious endeavor, all the moreso given the many threats to world peace and to the preservation of the planet. The idea that mass-scale emotional fervor can be a deciding factor in choosing the next leader during this crucial juncture is truly frightening.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:44 PM
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1. Peeps gave 32 Million in one Month to Obama
Which says a lot about the emotional appeal of Hope. Go! Bama!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:45 PM
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2. 'the emotional appeal of hope'....
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 09:47 PM by Triana
...what is that going to do? And how?

Explain.

How will it end poverty or the war in Iraq?
How will it provide national security?
How will it get back our civil rights?
How will it fix the economy?
How will it provide Universal Healthcare?
How will it help Americans get and keep better jobs (or any jobs AT ALL?)


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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:46 PM
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4. Britney's worth $50,000,000.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:46 PM
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3. it's troubling, especially at a time when the economy and national security are in crisis
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:52 PM
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7. His policies are not much different from Hillary
so knock it off
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:57 PM
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14. His unity with Republicans rhetoric is the most drastically different position.
And it's the most important to me.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:18 PM
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22. An Obamite admitting that
:wow:
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:49 PM
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5. I as real dum.
I don't knwo much about that polit thang. But that Barak guy is real purty. and he talk real good.
so i thunk he wuld be a real good presidant.
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sjdnb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:51 PM
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6. Our so-called democratic process is a joke ... if it weren't
Al Gore would be the President, there'd be no war in Iraq, the economy would benefit those who contribute vs those who steal from those who contribute, we'd support the value of families vs family values, health care would not equate to filling the pockets of insurance and pharmaceutical companies, NCLB would never have made it to a vote and public education would be given the financial support and respect it deserves, and on and on.

But, we live in a celebrity/fame obsessed, wealth controlled, M$M manipulated society whose consumers (aka average Americans) continually allow themselves to be used and manipulated because, IMO, it's easier for them to scrape together two nickels than to actually stand up for themselves.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:53 PM
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8. Duhhhhhhhhhh......
me like obama. <gurgle>
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:54 PM
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9. How many Hillary supporters can discuss her Senate votes, articulate her plans for the US, or
reconcile her rhetoric with her actions?
I doubt it's that many.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:56 PM
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13. I can!
Yay for me!
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:16 PM
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20. Generally, I'd like to think that most Hillary/Obama supporters on DU know something about their
chosen candidate.
I'm giving DUer's a lot of credit, but I'd like to think we're generally a better-informed lot than most.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:22 PM
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26. Not many according to this thread
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:35 PM
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29. Geez, I would've thought that more people could answer that question...
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:38 PM
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31. Hillary's main campaign theme lacks substance
She's a paper tiger.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 11:07 PM
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36. Experience, experience, experience.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:54 PM
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10. And again, please don't get distracted
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:02 PM
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18. Yes, stop thinking!
Just get in line and march!
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:55 PM
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11. It's very frightening.
Will these very young supporters who are coming out to vote in the primaries stay excited if Obama wins the nom? Or will their enthusiasm fade?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:03 PM
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19. No, they'll spend the summer smoking dope and by fall they won't
even remember that there is an election. Or else they think the primary is the election. Or they'll be playing video games all night and will sleep all day election day. or.........
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:17 PM
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21. I hope you're kidding.
Because if you're not, this shit is seriously insulting to those of us DUer's who are younger Obama supporters, myself being one of them.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:21 PM
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25. You should really think before you post.
n/t
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:05 AM
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37. I has expected that my response was so over the top that I didn't need to add
:sarcasm:
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:55 PM
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12. Stop worrying..
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 09:59 PM by greguganus
Obama is very intelligent and if he's elected the next POTUS he will assemble a very capable cabinet to address the concerns of the nation.

Edited to add R:headbang:CK :headbang:N :headbang:BAMA!!
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:31 AM
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41. Your edit is exactly what makes me worry.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:58 PM
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15. Yes, very disturbing
what will they do when their candidate washes out in the next round of competition? Are they willing to risk their jobs, homes, and health for their favorite Idol?
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:01 PM
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17. Did you risk your job, home, and health when Edwards "washed out"?
I hate Edwards bowed out, because I live in NC and I was hoping we were done with him here.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:58 PM
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16. it is disgusting
moronic and unwarranted
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:19 PM
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23. Speak for yourself. I've studied Obama's record plenty.
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 10:20 PM by Radical Activist
Maybe you should too. You might like him better.

By the way, what's so great about Hillary's Senate record? What has she passed that's so wonderful besides voting for the Iraq War? She has lower AFL-CIO, LCV, and ACLU ratings than Obama.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:20 PM
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24. I was watching Lou Dobbs earlier today (it was either that or faux)
And there is a group forming that is going to demand that all of the candidates start talking more about issues.

So hopefully we will see that soon.
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:25 PM
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27. What is truly frightening is the thought of 4 more years of corporate rule.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:28 PM
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28. Would you classify JFK's presidency in the same way?
It is a well known fact that JFK's appearance in the first televised debate with Richard Nixon was a huge factor in his victory. And the early sixties were a far more threatening time, right in the middle of the cold war.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:37 PM
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30. The thing I (don't) love about these posts is they always start with the same bullshit supposition
that Hillary's record and plans are perfect. Just saying Hillary is the shit doesn't make it so. If your candidate doesn't win it's because of her shortcomings, not ours.
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hill08 Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:40 PM
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32. People of Texas and Ohio will not be influenced by all this hype
Hill will be the nominee
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:46 PM
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33. people are seriously fucking STUPID. nt
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:56 PM
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34. I've studied, but I keep coming back to Clinton's IWR vote
Whereas Obama spoke against the war in the same time frame.

His judgment is better, it has been proven.

Gobama.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 11:00 PM
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35. I remember a time when I would have LOVED for people say THIS about my candidate!
And who wouldn't?
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:06 AM
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38. Go away, boomer (nt)
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:21 AM
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39. Thank you, I couldn't agree more
As Al Gore stated, it's an assault on reason.
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:29 AM
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40. I agree.
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