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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:58 AM
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Serious question: How much of Hillary's supposed "base" are folks just not ready for a black man?
The counter to this, of course, is how much of Obama's "base" are folks not ready for a woman? :shrug:
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:02 AM
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1. To your first question, SURVEY SAYS!: "Most of it." To your "counter"
question, SURVEY SAYS!: "Little of it" (doing my best Richard Dawson Family Feud imitation).
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Hill_YesWeWill Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:04 AM
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2. BOO, Hillary is not divisive, YOU ARE nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:08 AM
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7. I'm not calling her divisive
I know that some of Barack's support is from the "anyone but Hillary" camp.

Why should the counter not be true? :shrug:
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:04 AM
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3. I think it is more that they cling to the hope of the past that they believed in ...
I don't remember the Clinton reign quite the same.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:05 AM
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4. So I, an African-American woman, am racist because I don't support Obama? OK...so long as we're
clear on this.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:16 AM
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11. Here's where I'm coming from on this:
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 01:17 AM by XemaSab
I know there's sexism out there, and the Hillary camp (not so much Hillary, but her people) seem pretty happy to play the sexism card. Which isn't to say that it isn't a valid card. But it's hard to sort out the real sexism from the faux outrage.

On the other side, and this is being frank, racism exists. My suspicion is that there's more people in the democratic party than one would think who won't vote for a Black man.

I'm assuming that most people on DU are not that lame and wouldn't not vote for someone on account of gender or race. Obama leads among men, and I think part of that is for sexist reasons. But Hillary leads among the less educated. Is it because the less educated have fonder memories of the Clinton administration, think that Hillary will do more for them than Obama will, or is it for a more sinister reason?

The question is as I put it in the OP: how much of the support for each candidate is mostly AGAINST the other candidate, but for bigoted reasons?
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:33 AM
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15. No see what we need to call you
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 01:34 AM by never_get_over_it
is a reverse sexist in favor of Clinton

I learned this the other night when some fools on the TV were discussing why the M$M wasn't really giving Hillary big kudos for winning CA and one guy said its almost like its reverse racism in favor or Obama - because these FOOLISH MEN couldn't even fathom it wasn't reverse racism it was SEXISM - they're so friggin sexist they can't even admit it exists...

God what an eye opener this last month has been for me....

edit for spelling
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:06 AM
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5. ..
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 01:06 AM by rocknation


:headbang:
rocknation
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:27 AM
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14. Nice.
:yourock:
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:08 AM
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6. I think its probably true. But I think if they want whats best for themselves and their children
They'll rally behind whoever the nominee is. We can't afford to have another Republican President
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:08 AM
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8. Wow, it looks like some of the Clinton supporters can dish it out but not take it
:eyes:
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:09 AM
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9. Stupid ass question! Cause, if one answers you in turn would
say the person is either a bigot or racist, and no one should answer this question as you so rightly injected race into it by using "black man"....
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:23 AM
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12. Here's the deal:
Virtually everyone is racist.

Virtually everyone is sexist.

Say you're in a dark alley and there's someone coming towards you. Does it make a difference, in your mind, if it's a black person or a white person? What if it's a man versus a woman? :shrug:

We're a racist and sexist culture in the United States, and probably in most of the world.

Ignoring it won't make it go away. Pretending we're not racist and sexist won't make it go away. Only by confronting it will it go away.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:13 AM
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10. You wish!
What a shit pot.
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:25 AM
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13. I'm ready for anything but a centrist posing as a messianic liberal
I'm ready for a black, lesbian atheist, are you? I'm ready for Chris "Leave Britney Alone" Crocker. I'm ready for a bunch of shit America's not going to be ready for, for centuries to come.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:57 AM
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20. I'd vote for a Black lesbian atheist
if I thought she was the best candidate. :)
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:43 AM
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16. that's not a serious question
And neither is the reverse question. These sorts of questions are brought to us by the same jerkwads who asked how much of John Edwards base was folks not ready for a black or for a woman. Every time I see a post like this, my willingness to vote for the candidate being thus "supported" dies a little more. I direct this at both the big two camps: Stop it already. I will vote for the candidate whose supporters are least obnoxious.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:49 AM
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17. I don't care if the next president is male, female
Black, White, Asian, Filipino, Latino, LGBT or whatever. And I don't want a president just because they're Black, White, Asian, Filipino, Latino, LGBT or whatever. I want the best president.
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:54 AM
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18. I don't think this is a question we really want the answer to here...
...it's a big, scarlet scab and it will only take a little pickin' at it to foul things badly 'round here. :(
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:56 AM
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19. personally, I think supporters are those who don't remember the Clinton years the way I do
maybe her supporters aren't against the Iraq war, or against planning a war against Iran.

Or maybe they feel its their duty to vote for a woman.

Or they only see the good of the Clinton years and are willing to go through the bad of the Clinton years multiplied and topped with some "I told you so" when the next bimbo gate or fund raising gate comes out.

Its hard for me to understand, but it is what it is.
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