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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 07:58 AM
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We don't want a movement - we need help - Marie Cocco
http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/20080206_clintons_pragmatic_appeal/

WASHINGTON—Kitchen-table worries trumped even the charisma of Camelot. This theme has sounded again and again since the Democratic primary contests began, yet neither the national media nor, apparently, the Obama campaign can hear it.

The deafening buzz that heralded Barack Obama’s supposed surge of support heading into Super Tuesday was drowned out by the quiet casting of ballots. Traditional Democrats gave Hillary Clinton convincing victories in most of the largest states, where votes had to be won among economically and racially diverse groups and where the most delegates were at stake. Obama racked up huge margins in smaller, caucus states, the sort of contests where liberal activists dominate.
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Do not wonder why Obama, despite his own best efforts and that of the media, can’t knock Clinton to her knees. She is not propped up by some menacing “Clinton machine.” She has no overwhelming campaign war chest—Obama’s team now brags openly that he can raise more and outspend her all the way to the Democratic convention. She does benefit from Bill Clinton’s aura, but even he was kept under wraps, or at least forced to stay on message, in the days leading up to Tuesday’s vote.

Hillary Clinton is still standing for the simple reason that she has convinced millions of core Democratic voters that she will stand up for them.

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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:06 AM
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1. Thank you. nt
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:12 AM
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2. Never before had the MSM had to work so hard to supplant our choices!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:59 PM
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3. kick for another chance
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:02 PM
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4. Caucuses,
open caucses where you can be a Democrat for a day will destroy our party.

K&R
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:13 PM
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6. This election is exposing this "dirty deal" our Dem Party put us into.
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 06:15 PM by KoKo01
Repugs don't have this...and so Dems are at a disadvantage holding onto this antiquated power broking leftover from when the Dems used to decide candidates in "smoke filled rooms" and when they got trashed on that...they then went to the Caucus system for Primaries and instituted the Super Delegate Control where all 700 Members of Congress and State Party Officials GET TO CHOOSE who is elected.

Think about what this system did to Al Gore in Selection 2000!

We need to get on this and change our party rules. It's gotta start at the state level. But, given how long election reform has taken with activists working for 7 years...it will probably take until most of us are DEAD before they address this arcane "Caucus" thing in the Dem Party. No wonder Repugs have been winning so long....

I sure as hell don't want to be intimidated and confronted when I go to vote...and that's exactly what the worst scenario of the Caucus system represents today in the States which have it for Primaries.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:03 PM
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5. "We don't want a movement" Hillary can't handle it! n/t
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 07:12 PM
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7. Great article!Thanks for posting.Coulnd't agree more!!!
Yup!Obama,with his rockstar campaign and old time gospel religious-like rallies,hasn't over come Hillary - It speaks volumes.

He never should have entered this race.

We were fired up long before he slid onto the glittery stage with Oprah and gang.The Midterms proved that.The numbers of voters voting Democratically back in 04 proved that.And yet he claims all those voters as his own and further claims those voters won't vote for Hillary Clinton should she win the nomination

Who is this upstart and who does he think he is?!He had no bussiness entering the race in the first place except for his own selfish reasons;He doesn't have the qualification to even think of running for the most powerful position in the world and yet...he did.Why?Because he couldn't keep himself from his subjects?Because he is some sort of intuitive genius ala George W. Bush and America "needs" him?Please!


Ask not what you can do for this country but what you can do for the Obamas as has been said many times seems to be their mantra.With Michelle Obama saying on national TV that she doesn't know if she could support Hillary - The Democratic Nominee- should she win and Barack fearmongering that "His" voters will not vote if he doesn't win...If he had the Democratic Party at heart those type things would neevr be said!

And who's to say those voters would not have been just as fired up over ANY Democratic Nominee but especially a WOMAN Nominee?

Hillary would have had this all wrapped up by now and we'd be united as a Party.People would have been out in numbers and outvoted Republicans even if they hate Hillary.And we would not be in such a nasty divided place.

As it stands Obama has divided the Party with empty rheotric and slogans- ask his voters on the street why they want him and they have no answer but "hope".Look at his record - he has nothing extraodinary there to back up his claims of being what he claims he will be and if he did win??If he should take the rpize!HOW in GODS name could he - or ANY body for that matter - live up to the hype!??He can't.Jesus Christ himself couldn't.

He hasn't been able to knock Hillary out for a reason!and he probably would refuse the VP postion if offered to him because his ego and his and his wifes pride wouldn't allow them to.

So,here we stand at an impasse.Because of an unqualified ego maniac.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:14 AM
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8. With more NAFTAs and more outsourcing?
Thanks, but no thanks.
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