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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:15 AM
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Next Up for the Democrats: Civil War (NYT - Frank Rich)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/opinion/10rich.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

"Less than two weeks ago she was airlifted into her own, less effective version of “Mission Accomplished.” Instead of declaring faux victory in Iraq, she starred in a made-for-television rally declaring faux victory in a Florida primary that was held in defiance of party rules, involved no campaigning and awarded no delegates. As Andrea Mitchell of NBC News said, it was “the Potemkin village of victory celebrations.”

"The campaign’s other most potent form of currency remains its thick deck of race cards. This was all too apparent in the Hallmark show. In its carefully calibrated cross section of geographically and demographically diverse cast members — young, old, one gay man, one vet, two union members — African-Americans were reduced to also-rans. One black woman, the former TV correspondent Carole Simpson, was given the servile role of the meeting’s nominal moderator, Ed McMahon to Mrs. Clinton’s top banana. Scattered black faces could be seen in the audience. But in the entire televised hour, there was not a single African-American questioner, whether to toss a softball or ask about the Clintons’ own recent misadventures in racial politics."

"The Clinton camp does not leave such matters to chance. This decision was a cold, political cost-benefit calculus. In October, seven months after the two candidates’ dueling church perorations in Selma, USA Today found Hillary Clinton leading Mr. Obama among African-American Democrats by a margin of 62 percent to 34 percent. But once black voters met Mr. Obama and started to gravitate toward him, Bill Clinton and the campaign’s other surrogates stopped caring about what African-Americans thought. In an effort to scare off white voters, Mr. Obama was ghettoized as a cocaine user (by the chief Clinton strategist, Mark Penn, among others), “the black candidate” (as Clinton strategists told the Associated Press) and Jesse Jackson redux (by Mr. Clinton himself)."

"The question now is how much more racial friction the Clinton campaign will gin up if its Hispanic support starts to erode in Texas, whose March 4 vote it sees as its latest firewall. Clearly it will stop at little. That’s why you now hear Clinton operatives talk ever more brazenly about trying to reverse party rulings so that they can hijack 366 ghost delegates from Florida and the other rogue primary, Michigan, where Mr. Obama wasn’t even on the ballot. So much for Mrs. Clinton’s assurance on New Hampshire Public Radio last fall that it didn’t matter if she alone kept her name on the Michigan ballot because the vote “is not going to count for anything.”"
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:20 AM
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1. A must read. Rich pulled no punches here. He really laid it out.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:00 AM
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6. Here's a NYT Krugman Punch
and he's a little more knowledgable than Rich

<snip>
Since this is an election year, the debate over how to stimulate the economy is inevitably tied up with politics. And here’s a modest suggestion for political reporters. Instead of trying to divine the candidates’ characters by scrutinizing their tone of voice and facial expressions, why not pay attention to what they say about economic policy?
In fact, recent statements by the candidates and their surrogates about the economy are quite revealing.
<snip>
Last week Hillary Clinton offered a broadly similar but somewhat larger proposal. (It also includes aid to families having trouble paying heating bills, which seems like a clever way to put cash in the hands of people likely to spend it.) The Edwards and Clinton proposals both contain provisions for bigger stimulus if the economy worsens.
And you have to say that Mrs. Clinton seems comfortable with and knowledgeable about economic policy. I’m sure the Hillary-haters will find some reason that’s a bad thing, but there’s something to be said for presidents who know what they’re talking about.
The Obama campaign’s initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I’m sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama’s top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from “morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending.” Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure — doesn’t that sound familiar?
Anyway, on Sunday Mr. Obama came out with a real stimulus plan. As was the case with his health care plan, which fell short of universal coverage, his stimulus proposal is similar to those of the other Democratic candidates, but tilted to the right.
For example, the Obama plan appears to contain none of the alternative energy initiatives that are in both the Edwards and Clinton proposals, and emphasizes across-the-board tax cuts over both aid to the hardest-hit families and help for state and local governments. I know that Mr. Obama’s supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his rivals on matters of domestic policy.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:20 AM
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2. Obama followers love Frank Rich
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 09:21 AM by Pigwidgeon
Two months ago, of course, he was part of that evil MSM (which is also suddenly popular).

The more they smear her, the more we love her.

--p!
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:22 AM
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3. I believe this is a part of the MSM that endorsed Hillary. n/t
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:01 AM
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7. Krugman is the Thinker - Understands Hype from Substance
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:26 AM
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4. Always liked Frank Rich
Nice try, though.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:17 AM
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10. I loved Frank Rich before any of our 8 nominees announced in 07-08
because he happens to be a wildly gifted writer.

I recommend to you his book, GHOST LIGHT.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:45 AM
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15. Please don't act like such a simpleton in public for all to see
I'm an Obama supporter. I like Frank Rich and I have for a long time. I'm under the impression that Rich is more of a Clinton supporter than an Obama supporter, and I was a little surprised at his column today. No matter, I still don't fit into your little simplistic formula. And I also like Krugman, and have liked reading him for a long time. It's clear he doesn't care much for Obama, but I still look forward to reading his columns. Having no nuance whatsoever in your public discourse makes you look kind of ridiculous. Grow up a little and try to raise the discourse beyond the parameters allowed by a bumper sticker. People will have more regard for your utterances if you do.

PS: I like reading Maureen Dowd too, even though she indiscriminately slams my side at least half the time. That ought to throw your calculations off a little.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 09:57 AM
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5. Hard numbers: Clinton losing black support; Obama gaining Hispanic votes.
This article is already number 3 on the Times' most-emailed list. It is hard-hitting and packed with voters' demographic statistics. I'm including some more paragraphs from the article. Do read the entire article to get the details of Clinton's staged telethon, in which not a single black was choreographed to ask a question - but lots of Hispanics were. The Clintons truly seem to have written off the black vote. The whole "town meeting" was so staged that Andrea Mitchell/CBS said it "was the Potemkin Village of victory celebrations."

(Potemkin villages were fake settlements erected at the direction of Russian minister Grigori Aleksandrovich Potemkin to fool Empress Catherine II during her visit to Crimea in 1787. He had hollow facades of villages constructed along the desolate banks of the Dneiper River in order to impress the monarch and her travel party with the value of her new conquests, thus enhancing his standing in the empress's eyes.)

From the OP's article:
"The result? Black America has largely deserted the Clintons. In her California primary victory, Mrs. Clinton drew only 19 percent of the black vote. The campaign saw this coming and so saw no percentage in bestowing precious minutes of prime-time television on African-American queries.

That time went instead to the Hispanic population that was still in play in Super Tuesday’s voting in the West. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa of Los Angeles had a cameo, and one of the satellite meetings was held in the National Hispanic Cultural Center in Albuquerque. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s smart politics, especially since Mr. Obama has been behind the curve in wooing this constituency.

But the wholesale substitution of Hispanics for blacks on the Hallmark show is tainted by a creepy racial back story. Last month a Hispanic pollster employed by the Clinton campaign pitted the two groups against each other by telling The New Yorker that Hispanic voters have “not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.” Mrs. Clinton then seconded the motion by telling Tim Russert in a debate that her pollster was “making a historical statement.”

It wasn’t an accurate statement, historical or otherwise. It was a lie, and a bigoted lie at that, given that it branded Hispanics, a group as heterogeneous as any other, as monolithic racists. As the columnist Gregory Rodriguez pointed out in The Los Angeles Times, all three black members of Congress in that city won in heavily Latino districts; black mayors as various as David Dinkins in New York in the 1980s and Ron Kirk in Dallas in the 1990s received more than 70 percent of the Hispanic vote. The real point of the Clinton campaign’s decision to sow misinformation and racial division, Mr. Rodriguez concluded, was to “undermine one of Obama’s central selling points, that he can build bridges and unite Americans of all types.”

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:39 AM
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14. Obama leads. Hillary triangulates. Obama inspires. Hillary threatens.
Party leaders see that the Clintons will inflict serious short term and perhaps long term damage to the party with their politics of division. Their nonsense is threatening the very stability and base of the party, threatening to create fractures that could take down hundreds, if not thousands, of Democratic officeholders.

If blacks stay home in November, we will suffer catastrophic losses and probably lose both the House and the Senate. And for what? One more scandal ridden, troubled filled term of a Clinton who isn't even a quality Democrat?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:55 AM
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8. "What’s more, it offered a naked preview of how nastily the Clintons will fight, whatever the--"
"What’s more, it offered a naked preview of how nastily the Clintons will fight, whatever the collateral damage to the Democratic Party, in the endgame to come."

Devastating!
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:15 AM
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9. Excellent read. Thank you.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:18 AM
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11. I'm sick of every Clinton campaign decision being described as "cold," "calculating." nt
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:33 AM
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12. They just call'em as they see'em
The Clintons only care about people who can get them elected. Demographics like the Blacks become useless once they don't support you.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:20 PM
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17. The Clinton campaign wanted to run her as an "American Thatcher"
You reap what you sow.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:36 AM
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13. K&R nt
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:09 PM
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16. Rich is a broadway critic Krugman is an economist
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