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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:34 PM Original message |
You want a fractured party? You want chaos? |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. Popular vote or popular vote by delegate? |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I'm in favor of strict popular vote outcomes. |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. no, he's talking about Maryland pledging for Sen. Clinton |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I'm not singling out any state. I'm talking about the entire process. |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Agreed. This Superdelegate thing is undemocratic. Let them vote with us |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. my thoughts exactly |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-11-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
52. I have been told that I am also voting for super delegates |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'll go one further. The winner of the popular vote should be President. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I absolutely agree with you. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I'll go one further. whoever I VOTE FOR should be president. period. |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. I totally agree, eliminate the swing states role in the election |
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CK_John (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
6. You give a good example why we lose we never know the rules and are always in react mode and |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. No idea what you mean by that. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. Is there a way to compute a national popular vote? |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. The states can release the vote totals or... |
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stahbrett (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. Agreed - proportional all the way, including electoral college. BUT... |
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Hill_YesWeWill (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
12. Yes, I have to agree, I saw menendez this morning, I believe on CNN |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. That's her position |
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Hill_YesWeWill (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. well now, let's be clear, her position that pledged delegates matter |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. That's her position now, but she changes positions faster than |
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Hill_YesWeWill (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. well yes, I agree, she uses triangulation, I am aware of this as a Hillary supporter, |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I think we can count on both candidates to do this: |
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Hill_YesWeWill (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Well, yes and no, actually on that Obama quote on Kennedy, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. In August, Kennedy & Kerry should consider their constituents |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Here's her words |
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Hill_YesWeWill (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Yes, that's an interesting statement for her to make, but she's not saying |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. It was in response to Obama's statement |
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Hill_YesWeWill (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. ell, she isn't saying Exactly what Menendez said this morning, she's just not, but |
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Hill_YesWeWill (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. What Menendez said this morning was just almost unforgivable, he crossed the line |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
15. your popular vote approach won't work because of caucus states |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Another good outcome: the death of caucuses. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. in other words, you're shilling for Hillary |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Wrong. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. your idea is stupid. you don't get to decide how states choose delegates |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. LOL. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. it's a simple concept to master. some states have caucuses |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I guess as a Hillary shill, I just can't recognize that. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Yes, that's probably it. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. For someone with "Observer" in their handle, you sure don't observe well. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. When your candidate loses, it's time to move on. I supported John a year. |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
16. That's changing the rules |
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Crooked Moon (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
20. howling in the wind. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. All the more reason to make noise about it. |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
21. I think we should raise bloody hell if the super-delegates give the |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. We're essentially on the same page. |
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kelligesq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
25. would take election reform to dump delegate vote thing-too late for that in this election but |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
30. Nevada says 117,599 voted, but their caucus has 10,542 delegate votes |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
47. Should I assume you would want Michigan and Florida votes counted |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Yes, but I would prefer to see a re-vote in MI. |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
48. I'm for using delegates |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. I'm for popular votes in all elections. |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
49. I have a similar rationale for ballot versus caucus |
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