****BREAKING! CBS NEWS: Obama takes lead in overall delegate count, INCLUDING Supers*****

Even Obama's own campaign said they didn't expect to win Maine, according to a document the campaign said was accidentally leaked earlier in the week.

In the delegate chase, Obama has pulled ahead of Clinton, even when the support of uncommitted super delegates is figured in. According to CBS News estimates, Obama holds a razor-thin lead with 1,134 delegates overall to 1,131 for Clinton.

The results in Maine came in the wake of a shake-up on the Clinton campaign. Sunday afternoon, Clinton campaign manager Patti Patti Solis announced she was stepping down from that post. She will be replaced by senior advisor and longtime Clinton confidant Maggie Williams.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/10/politics/main3813759.shtml

This Obama tide will probably mean that most Supers will either endorse Obama or wait until August, either way is good for him.

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:bounce: :woohoo: :bounce:

she sure didn't read the winds correctly.

and apologized, she would have eliminated her biggest liability. Pride kept her from doing that, and it may well cost her the nomination.

but that's hillary for ya!

What happened to that? Now Bush might not be entirely wrong. Make up your mind Hillary! Do you want to wear the blue dress or the red dress?

Oops, triple post.
Sorry.

It's the bottom line.

She did it for political gain.
I hope the result is a political loss.

Oops, double post.
Sorry.

:eyes:

Congress will they ever get on the ball, probably not.

reverse this trend.

I hope... :scared:

Joe-mentum???? :shrug:

For everyone's sake, I hope not!

she doesn't inspirer people

It's that there's a Supercandidate on the stage!

:applause:

anything other than bush/clinton/bush.clinton etc.

IS CHANGE.
small steps to hope.

I read it on the Internets.

:crazy:

Obama is made of stronger stuff than I am, clearly.

blacks would doom Obama's chances. Thankfully, most white people recognized what was going on after a bit. Now Billary is just content to pit latinos and white women against blacks. How dispicable they are.

Thank you, Maine! :toast:

And it wa the female grayhairs, standing on the Obama side of the room! So much for demegraphics polls & statistics.
Oh UGH Jeb Bush is now campaigning for McCain!!!!!


:puke:

This is an amazing primary!

And it looks like the boxing gloves above have been updated to reflect that. :bounce:

He began the campaign with the deck stacked against him. Through nothing short of sheer organizational/administrative brilliance he's parlayed a grass roots effort and a funny name into a political movement.

He's outraised an established and powerful political machine in terms of money. And while the opposing campaign has run out of money, he's spent his more judiciously and effectively, despite the fact that he doesn't have "35 years of experience." He's also devised a winning strategy and seems to have planned ahead better than the opposition.

He started the game with no points, while his opponents were spotted points in the game, and despite that he's managed to pull ahead.

Incredible. :bounce:

There were alot of early "arm twisting" - by Bill Clinton and others early on to give her a substantial edge in super delegates long long long before Iowa.

I doubt she can garner as many new ones at this stage.

Still Obama is the underdog given the HUGE strength of the Clinton Machinery in states like Texas and Ohio.

Obama supporters should hit the web and donate a few bucks tonight, and whatever else do NOT get overconfident.

A SD would have to be nuts to hold to that pledge if the will of the voters is clearly the other direction.

Plus, we can say one thing for certain about the superdelegates. Every one of them is a politician -- by definition. And by definition, they are genetically programmed to move to the winning side. That what makes them different from humans. At this moment there are a whole bunch of them planning their exit.

I'll wait for their final numbers before I believe Obama has pulled ahead. I don't think he actually will be ahead by everyone's count till the 12th or later.

sure.

:woohoo:

:kick:

:woohoo: :D

obama will have a huge lead when the super delegates switch to him!!

She is still the establishment candidate. She is still the presumptive nominee. We must not forget that fundamental truth.

When she loses it is front page. That is why we don't have John Edwards. Even when he was second he couldn't get above "Hillary's loss".

Was the former manager, Ms. Solis, fired? We can't say for sure. Either way, it is a great risk to make so drastic a change at this juncture. We'll see if it was a wise move for the Clinton campaign or not.

and I think it was a calculated move for 2 reasons

1. grab the news headlines/lead ins

2. Ms Solis is Latino, Hillary will have her do the intros in TX, OH anywhere it can be an advantage

Let's see that makes Bush, Rove, Fox, CBS, Rush, Ann Coulter and how many other GOP'ers who want Obama to win.

TX, OH, and PA still to come with plenty more delegates that Clinton will win.

Either way, it will be a brokered convention, neither candidate can get enough delegates w/o it.

I really don't like the super delegate concept. It smacks of being anti-democratic.

I believe it is because they are grouping the "super Delegates" as they see them potentially distributed.

AS I mentioned in another blog here...
Most people I know have been far more enthusiastic about this presidential race than I can recall in any other time in my political memory. However, this disturbing situation with the possibility that so called "Super Delegates" could overrule the democratically chosen people's choice threatens to quash all of this promising enthusiasm as well as turn-out.

My wife is leaning toward Clinton and I intend to vote for Obama. However, we will forgo voting in the general election if the DNC does not pledge that these "Super Delegates" will unanimously back the peoples choice at the convention NO MATTER WHO IT IS! We would rather let the Republicans gain back the office than bastardize democracy once more.

I wouldn't worry too much about 'em.

It be a complete buzz-kill otherwise.

:hi:

hope you enjoy yourself here:hi:

But the whole trend in politics, from the electronic voting machines on out, seems to take our ability to choose away from us.

:hi:

I agree with your sentiments about the super delegates, too.

:woohoo: :toast: :bounce: :kick:

Yippee

The convention may be very interesting.

Regardless of who ends up winning the nomination or who is ahead at any given time, this system is not very democratic. Super delegates have a disproportionate amount of influence over a primary system that is supposed to be in the hands of the electorate. I'm just sayin.

I doubt if you're right on Ohio. And if Ohio goes Obama, nearby Pennsylvania may as well.

It's disappointing that they'd deny the voters the candidate the voters picked.

Some places are saying that HRC has 30 more delegates than Obama. Are super some super delegates committing to Obama?

I'm sure they're changing all the time, factoring in Obama's momentum, but I'm wondering if there's anything like that sitting around to look at.

Why is this such big news?
Super delegates can switch who they committed for, and there goes his lead.
There are still more primaries, and Clinton will surely win at least a couple of them.
Unfreakin' real!
:YAWN:

I'm waiting for the exit polls, those are always right.

Been interesting so far, though, hasn't it? :)

Obama = 943
Clinton = 835

OBAMA LEADS "THE PEOPLE'S" VOTE via DELEGATES by 108 !!! :applause:

Go Obama! :patriot:

Try English next time.

Dupe

so when she becomes president, it will be as a person who didn't know the former President Clinton until they met in law school at Yale. That's not a dynasty.

People who say she shouldn't win because Bill was president are denying Hillary her autonomy as a person.

Bump

:toast:

Pleeeeeeeze Obama people, lets not celebrate too much yet.

It's a marathon, and I think Obama is paced to win! :)

But doing back flips over a few vote lead is premature.

Sorry for the buzzkill - I just hope Obama folks continue with the relentless pursuit of victory and assume nothing is in the bag - got a ways to go. I assume Hillary will pull out no stops to win this thing.

But after tomorrow night, it looks like Obama will have won 8 straight states!

If Obama wins 2 of the following 3 states (TX, OH, or PA) then it will be time to party!!!!There will be no firewall left.

peace~:)

AP - 1,136 to 1,108 - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080211/ap_on_el_pr/superdelegates
CNN - 1,148 to 1,121 - http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

Point being, we can all look anywhere to find numbers that we see as favorable.

thought it would be over by Super Tuesday, she was WRONG!!!

Super D's should not be added in since they are soft, but oh well, the media will do as it pleases

Latest update: Obama.......Clinton
Total Delegates 1143 ..........1138
Super Delegates 139............213


on edit: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/delegate_counts.html

making the decision who should be President it SHOULD BE WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama 1032
Hillary 944

:hi:

That's some mOmentum he's got going there.

We just might have a non neo-con president!

Msnbc has Hillary still ahead by like...25 delegates. I really, really, really, really hate the super delegate system. It wasn't designed for this type of situation....




Still, I have hope.

:hi: :toast:

They will just add to Obama's lead.

<snip>
Hillary Clinton
Pledged: 924 Super delegates: 224 Total: 1,148

Barack Obama
Pledged: 986 Super delegates: 135 Total: 1,121

John Edwards
Pledged: 26 Super delegates: 0 Total: 26

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/

I don't trust CNN.

The point is that different news outlets are tallying in slightly different ways. The CBS version isn't the gospel truth any more or any less than the AP and CNN versions, which still put Clinton ahead, are.

her supporters are "all fired up for the lady." "Yes she can."

:woohoo:

and everyone that watches the stupid box. it's simply hypnosis... he's 1/2 black, she is all woman.. :)

That's a racist comment, in my opinion.

is she gay? Is that why the bigdog is all on the prowl?

I am glad that I am off tv.

Super Delegates will not decide this election.
They will always go with the winner; they have no commitments.

Folks -- let's not jump ahead of ourselves.
I know everybody is excited and ready to kick Hillary supporters while we're down.

But this is tied.
That means nobody is winning.

Like Super Delegates, momentum has no commitments.

Super Delegates will not decide this election.
They will always go with the winner; they have no commitments.

Folks -- let's not jump ahead of ourselves.
I know everybody is excited and ready to kick Hillary supporters while we're down.

But this is tied.
That means nobody is winning.

Like Super Delegates, momentum has no commitments.