There is a reason why Obama does so well in Red States

Democrats in those states have a much better sense of the pulse of the nation than Democrats who rarely leave their blue state communities. Democrats in Red States have seen for themselves the Clinton hatred first hand, day in and day out. These folks have right-wing relatives, in-laws, co-workers and friends. Like lonely voices in the wilderness, they have defended the Clintons for over 15 years at dinner parties, at the watercooler at work when their whole community was repeating Rush Limbaugh talking points. They know how much Hillary will mobilize the Right better than any Republican candidate can. They have seen with their own eyes in Obama someone who will not even come close to Hillary as an opponent that can galvanize the Right. Their conservative friends, relatives and co-workers won't vote for Obama, but he doesn't energize them as Hillary does.

nobody would unite the GOP like Hillary.

Obama, for lack of a better description, is simply a LIKEABLE person. The importance of that cannot be overstated.

then yes

But what about the indies and Repubs who are crossing over to vote for him? Those are the people we need to vote our way to win those states. We need a candidate who appeals to them more than (unfortunately) McCain does.

Obama has a slim chance here- Hillary has no chance. All I hear is "We've got to stop Hillary"

from trying to defend her against idiots.

and given her hawkishness, I know it isn't worth it.

You ask why, and they can't give a rational answer. She just creates an emotional reaction in people when they hear her name.

"Democrats in those states have a much better sense of the pulse of the nation than Democrats who rarely leave their blue state communities."

give me a break. That's your opinion and it is insulting.

I have and do -- and I can attest to everything he just said. Been there, done it.

as well I have lived in many red and blue states...and I'm sorry to say the whole Red States Dems have a clearer view on things than Blue State Dem is pure bullshit.

as well I have lived in many red and blue states...and I'm sorry to say the whole Red States Dems have a clearer view on things than Blue State Dem is pure bullshit.

I do want to say thank you for your service.

of everyday Hillary Hatred at its Worst.
I have lived in both (Bluest of Blue AND very RED) in the past 18 months.
I KNOW.

Deny this at your peril.

and for the stupid shit from Whitewater, to Hillary has cankles cackles, a lesbian, killed Vince Foster, She stayed married to a serial rapist...on and on and on. You know what? These mouthbreathers actually believe some of this shit, and nothing, I mean NOTHING you can say will change their minds. Brainwashed, hell they have been BLEACHED CLEAN.

you know Clinton is a hero to many democrats and americans.

It wasn't the Clinton that lead to the repubs taking over. They were gearing their big red machine for a long time and the Dem Party chose to ignore the pounding at the gates until the Reds shot them in the back and took everything. The Reds were organized and brutal. When they started to take over everything they salted the earth with Clinton this and Clinton that and so many people were spoon fed this crap and believed it. The Repubs hate Clinton because they were able to hold off, knocked back, and defeat the efforts of the Reds, the only wing of the Dem Party that could.

People think Obama's movement was inspiring? you should have seen Bill Clinton's rise to power in 1992, now that was something. Hillary Clinton is an amazing individual and to hear so much hate and lies told about her is sickening. I'm afraid if people don't start paying attention to how lies and tricks are fed to us, the bleached clean will walk right back into the Red Storm instead of putting the repubs back into their place and shutting them up.

After all, red states are "red" because they vote for the Republican year after year. Obama appeals to many former Republicans. Maybe that's why he's more popular in red states.

Seems logical.

I don't hate Hillary (don't exactly like her either). But, everyone that I know DOES HATE HER. Dems, Repubs and Indy's.

You saw that result yesterday in our caucus...

If we want to win a few red states in November, we're going to need a guy who isn't loathed. Obama isn't loathed.

Don't worry once the Big Red Machine gets going, they'll be loathing Obama plenty in red states.

And in NE, McCain is almost equally loathed.. so imagine if Dems, some Indy's and a few Repubs run to the polls for Obama, because they like him, and several Repubs stay home because they don't like McCain.

He may not win my red state - but he has a chance in a few others that are closer to purple then Red. Hillary isn't even close in any of these red states.

The OP's got a good point, but I don't see NOT hating Obama translating into crossover votes. Just as we'd expect all Dems to hold their nose and vote for the eventual nom, I'm sure there's just as deep of loyalty on the GOIP side, too. Even more so, guessing by the '04 election.

And so Hillary WON'T get the votes. Obama may not get the votes. That's the difference in the red states.

And with people hating McCain.. it could play to our favor

one will be surprised when it happens.

"Hitlery".

There's really no comparison on the personal hatred angle.

Now on the racist hatred....well you could make an argument on THAT!!

I was soaking up the caucus threads like a sponge yesterday, living vicariously through all of you and your stories and pictures.

People all over were posting that comments kept getting made about "I didn't know we had this many dems in the entire state". :woohoo:

One reason I like the caucus system, and am wishing we had one here instead of our primary. You actually SEE your candidate's supporters as opposed to standing behind a curtain and marking a box.

yesterday, I was so happy to see so many young faces and people w/great attitudes. We expected about 25-30 and got 350+, it was quite the uplifing experience.

2:1 for Obama, and people were seriously fired up. The biggest point iss that people are MOTIVATED to end this naqtional nightmare of the current administrtation.

If I had the market on crying towels, I'd sell them to the GOPer's around here and be able to retire in luxury. I've never seen them so disillusioned...:D :hi:

It's always heartwarming to see another Husker Bud floating around.. and yes, the NE republicans are not happy campers right now. It's as if Callahan had just been rehired. ;)

;)

transplanted in Colorado at a tender age of 6. We travel home quite a bit, and it is good to hear the Husker State coming around this season, I hope the change continues. :)

thousands of volunteers spent eight months registering voters and canvassing our neighborhoods. We made calls to voters every day. And some of us used our vacation time from our jobs to get out the vote in the final push before primary day.

That's why we won this red state.

I live in western NY, and have relatives in Central NY.

The Clinton hatred is unbelievable. It is the foundation of why I can not support her for the nomination.

Faux-Conservatives are yammering on about how they can not support McCain. When it comes down to it, and the curtain is pulled in the voting booth, McCain has a huge advantage. He is not a Clinton.

on edit - this was intended to be a reply to the original post.

Cheers
Drifter

:)

I do have unlimited long distance on my phone. Could I make calls to Texas from my home? Please let me know if I could....and point me in the right direction

I'll get the information on Texas phone banks for you.

I know four Repubs who did just that, and it wasn't a coordinated effort among the four of them. (Only two of them know each other.)

So it's really no head-scratching mystery why Repub turnout was so low in this state.

in areas where voter turnout has been low in previous elections.

The campaign waged a massive get out the vote effort in South Carolina, and it paid off.

· Democratic primary turnout increased to 532,000 this year from 293,000 in 2004

· Turnout in the Democratic primary exceeded Republican turnout by over 86,000 voters

· Obama received more votes than John McCain and Mike Huckabee received combined

· 27% of those who cast a ballot were first-time voters

· Obama claimed 67% of 18- to 29-year-old voters, and he drew more under-30 votes than all Republican candidates combined, according to exit polls

· According to exit polls, Obama won every level of income and education, and among voters who named Iraq, the economy and health care as their most important concerns

· Obama won in 8 of the 10 whitest counties in the state, and he tripled Clinton's vote in the 5 counties with the highest concentrations of nonwhite voters

· Statewide Early-Vote totals: Barack Obama 61%; Hillary Clinton's 28%; Edwards's 10%

more people voted for him! Ba dump tum. Ha ha! I crack myself up!

You can also use that joke with Hillary. There's a reason Hillary did well in certain states...more people voted for her! Ba dump tum.

In Texas, HRC is the death knell to all down-ticket democrats, and will kill those democratic congressional candidates in tight races.

Like so many other buy down scams in the corporate world. Wear down the competitor even if you are losing money doing it. Then when he is weak enough buy him and all rest of them up till you can get a monopoly on that type of business. Corporate media is already to the point where they get to chose the lineup of candidates in national races. They seem to want to go to the mat with Hilary in taking it all over with this election.

Stifling a resurgent Democratic party movement and putting a candidate in more to their liking?

Doh!

I live in GA, and my co-workers can't stand Hillary. One co-worker's husband supports Obama, but she(Republican) says if he wants to just get on her nerves he'll say something nice about Hillary. I don't understand the hate for Hillary, but there are many people in red/purple states who down right loath her.

I don't understand it, but it's there.

as well I have lived in many red and blue states...and I'm sorry to say the whole Red States Dems have a clearer view on things than Blue State Dem is pure bullshit.

In the caucus states vs the primary states. In Caucuses people get a few minutes to explain why they are supporting their candidate and why they are not supporting Hillary. She has strong negatives. When those are discussed in an open forum then it becomes apparent that Hillary can not win. Thus people on the fence or leaning Hillary switch to Obama. I live in TN and was a Kucinich then Edwards supporter. Like somebody said up post all I hear from the right wingers is that they will not vote for Hillary in any circumstance, but that Obama is a possibility.

In the primary states you vote without any discussion. You go into the voting booth with only the knowledge that you get from the TV or from the campaigns. Thus the lack of spirited discussion keeps mainly uninformed people voting for their first preference.

:hi:

You nailed it. Actually, I think Obama could win some of the religious conservatives here. Honestly, I think the repubs co-opted progressive language 30 years ago with Reagan and the "family values" crap. The whole demonization of the word "liberal", etc. One of the things that impresses me most about Obama is how he takes that language back for progressives where it belongs. Expressing these ideas as he does, many religious conservatives are realizing that their values are matched better by the Democratic party.

For some reason she can't explain, she HATES Hillary and has sworn she won't vote for her. I fear my experience matches that described in the OP. The Clinton name has been smeared by 16 years of hate radio and the unrelenting war of attrition waged by the corporate media. We need a new brand.

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-Laelth

i don't think it's the pure hillary hate. i think that obama truly speaks to people who are independents, and may have even voted for bush.

hillary hates these types of people, and rejects them as "the enemy". where do the independents go? obama.

the anti-hillary sentiment does run very, very strong however. i truly don't believe she could win. mccain is a wild card and will be pursuing these very independents that would otherwise vote obama. these people won't vote for hillary. they'd probably vote mccain

While Obama was not involved in Dean's strategy, Clinton surrogates like Carville were pushing heavily to ignore the red states, and only focus time and money on battleground states.

this is true of most candidates - the first impression nad feeling they give a voter is what counts more than anything else. My mother can't stand HRC because of how she didn't handle the Monica Lewinsky situation - can you believe it? Crazy, huh? But that's what it's all about, how people perceive you, not your stance on social security or healthcare.

Replace Hillary with "liberal" and you basically summed up the reason the DLC was founded. It is ironic how we are coming full circle. DLC philosophy, DLC arguments have been adopted by many progressives because of Obama.

I know what it's like to live in red state hell. It will be interesting to see who the voters in those two states pick.

People in the red and purple states can see that more clearly.

but their reasons are easy to argue against, like "He's a Muslim" and other such bullshit, and with most I can tell they actually like him, or at least are interested in him as a personality.

but with Hillary... Oh shit they go insane, like literally grab your gun and pitchfork insane.

My family are all in Eastern NC in the reddest Redneck zone you've ever seen.

You have described my life down here. Blue staters have no idea what it's like.

voted for Obama just to fuck up the Dems election for Nov.

THOSE RED STAE oBAMA VOTERS WILL NOT....NOT....BE THERE TO VOTE FOR HIM IN NOVEMBER!!!

and the repukes will have the Oval Office for 4 more wars


ask Bill Krystal and KKKKarl Rove...they planned it and we were P"WND!!!

I just posted this exact explanation to these newbies who don't get it.

What a dumb one that thread is, "Is the GOP making Obama supporters vote for him through some kind of mind control?"

:rofl:

Obama won 5 out of the 6 open primaries on Super Tuesday.

The Republicans simply "raided" the Democratic Party to vote for the weakest candidate.

This from someone with less than 1000 posts who has hidden his profile? You're really flying under the radar here bud. Wonder how long that'll last.

I'll try to check.

Any questions?

They love an easy target.