Here is what a conservative christian had to say about Obama

This is why he should be our next president. He is a true uniter and has the ability to inspire the NATION, not just a party or an ideology.

Hi to all,

I would consider myself to be a person who wants to vote for a republican because of the fact that I am a conservative. I do not like McCain at all, and hope he doesn't win for I feel he is/wouldn't be all that great of a President. Of the Republican party, I'm waiting to listen to Huckabee and what he's about, however, as of now, I'm sitting here listening to Obama for the very first time, and I came away very impressed in what he is wanting to do, and for the things in which he spoke of, and more importantly how he spoke. Someone on here said he was charismatic, and to which he is very, and I liked things that he said. I feel that Huck will overtake McCain for the Republican nomination and when he does, it will be interesting to see Huck and Obama's campaign styles with one another.

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The alarm bells are getting deafening but no one seems to notice. And by the time they do it will be too late... for all of us.

he was right, as he has been right about so many other things.

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I await Leader's prediction.

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He's Jesus Fucking Christ incarnate and don't you forget it. :)

washed.

At least we'll have someone to say pretty things in a nice voice while the country is falling apart. :eyes:

that practice a very decisive form, that has ruined our nation.

But it's ok for one of ours to do the same thing? Sorry spanky, but I can't swallow that sort of hypocrisy. I believe that a great man can and should be the president of all the people and make an effort to unite and heal. Then again, if you believed in such ideals, you wouldn't be a Hillary Hack.

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It's all about do as I say, not as I do. It's only bad when a Republican does it!

This is getting to be too much. November is going to suck.

Destroy the nation to gain power approach, still I don't care for it. I don't think being liberal or moderate gives one a license to the same tactics I found morally reprehensible when Bush/Rove used them. As for this quote this came from a man I have met. It's quite real. Sorry to burst your delusional bubble.

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Nothing in his comments indictated that he was voting for him. Still that didn't stop you from just making stuff up, so that you could use it in a Rovian attack. Your tactics are clear and sadly represent your candidate. I don't want a female verison of George Bush in the White House.

That's more inline with her practices.

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Obama isn't like most candidates
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4530063#4530358
4530358, Obama isn't like most candidates
Posted by nomad1776 on Sun Feb-10-08 08:59 PM

He doesn't need to build himself up by tearing others down. He doesn't bad mouth people because of their poltical party, ideological beliefs or anything else. He is a candidate that is running a postive campaign. Themes like hope, change and the ability to make a difference. If a Republican ran a campaign like that, and I wasn't thrilled with the Democratic choices I would seriously considering voting for him or her.

It's OK for a conservative Christian to vote pro-choice, as long as he compensates by stoning ten queers for every abortion clinic he doesn't blow up!

Try to keep up, will ya?







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And there were these two women talk show hosts taking calls, one was named Queen Brown and the other, I don't recall her name. Anyway, they were taking calls from listeners (black and white) and LOTS of people said they either knew of or were right wingers in favor of Obama over H. Clinton. One of the hosts seemed to be in favor of H. Clinton, and she was very surprised that Republicans would be in favor of Obama. I'm surprised too. I'm also surprised that the right wingers are so divided, and even that right wingers would vote for a Democrat.

He doesn't need to build himself up by tearing others down. He doesn't bad mouth people because of their poltical party, ideological beliefs or anything else. He is a candidate that is running a postive campaign. Themes like hope, change and the ability to make a difference. If a Republican ran a campaign like that, and I wasn't thrilled with the Democratic choices I would seriously considering voting for him or her.

I suddenly see the light. It's OK to do bad things, in the name of a good cause! I am converted! I am going to become a Hillary Hack!

I can't see it. :evilgrin:

I'm an Independent. I was born and raised in the South. Some of you would call me an uneducated racist redneck. And at one time, rightfully so. As a man grows he can, if he wants to, change. While I am not a rightwinger, I know some who are and they are listening to Obama. For to long we have been given only two choices. Did anyone here notice in the last election both choices were megarich white men, who went to the same college, were members of the same secret organization, and during the debates wore a red tie and blue suit? For to long the system has played us against each other and now, the worm turns. Obama is the one to shake the very foundation of our political system to its core. Cool. I think that Obama was not suppose to do as well as he has and they are afraid. Thats even cooler. My social circle would make you lock you car doors as we ride by, pull your children closer, not make eye contact with us when we look at you. Some of them agree with what I say. Its a start. What you Dems need to do is not let Bill and Hill steal this from him. So if someone like me can vote for Obama, others will follow. Respects.

Clinton.

Its that he really is a change. Only diehard Repubs wont vote for him, just like diehard Dems wont vote for McCain. Its us, Independents that will put him in the Whitehouse. Those 20% who voted for Perot(sp?) are still around and the numbers have grown. Yes he is Liberal, but for me anyway, He scares the establishment. Look at Bush siding with the Clintons. Are you satisfied with the two party system? Lots of people are not, thats why they don't vote. My wife has never voted in her life, but will if Obama gets the nomination. Its heady stuff when you think about it. This election could blow the whole charade out of the water and maybe a third party will arise. Obama will learn as we all do. You can't have it all your way and he strikes me as intelligent enough to know that. I'm more than willing to give him a chance, thats why I am here. Do you really want 20+ years of the Bush's and Clintons? Only a fool or fanatic would. If Bill and Hill get the nod than I vote for that crazy bastard McCain, more of the same if you ask me. Those of you on here who call yourselves free thinkers ask yourself this. Could it be that Obama was just the token "negro" for the white liberal establishment, to give hope and set an example for the down trodden black man? He never was suppose to go this far. I'm glad I have lived to see this and I'm glad I'll get to vote for him for President.I voted for him in the Tennessee primary. Call me crazy, like others have, but this is history in the making. All ready the wheels are in motion to steal it from him. Always remember this,too. The Democratic party was the original party of slavery. They treat blacks like the Repubs treat their evangelicals. They take them for granted and expect them to vote the way they "should". Respects to you and yours, Iris.

Be careful. Those are fighting words around here.

As for me, I'll vote for whatever Democrat gets the nomination and I'll be proud to throw back "The Democrats were the first party to nominate a (black man/white woman) for president" to people like you who twist around history to suit your needs.

Your wife can do whatever the hell she wants. I don't care if she never votes in an election. Hell, Ann Coulter doesn't think she should be voting anyhow, so go ahead and make all the right wing freaks happy.

I'm never careful where something must be said. As far as twisting history to suit my needs. I'm not sure what you think my needs are. You asked me a question. I answered from my own experiences and best I could. Did the Democratic party support slavery or not? Jim crow laws? Its true that they supported civil rights,too. Do they take black people for granted? Ask yourself that. Many I know say yes, maybe its different where you live. Some of the most racist people I know are hardcore democrats. I never post on boards, so my way may seem crude and lowbrow to you. Again I apologize for upsetting you. People fear change, its our nature. I truly hope that Obama gets the nod, then I can proudly say "I voted for a Obama." I'm not sure why you brought my wife in on this,she's a beautiful soul who doesn't believe you can beat the system. Now she thinks we can. Peace to you, Iris.

And the Democratic party of the South was full of white men at the time of slavery and even at the time of civil rights. I think you'll find that they are mostly Republicans now or at least lean that way - look at Zell Miller, google Griffin Bell, Sr. They all left the Democratic party or have publicly admonished it BECAUSE of the Civil Rights Movement. In addition, they wouldn't spit on a Kennedy if one were on fire because they DARED to stand up for black people and poor people in general.

The line about Republicans ending slavery is used by people like Rush Limbaugh, Neal Boortz, and Sean Hannity to try to suggest that somehow Republicans are not racist and Democrats are.

As I said, I will gladly vote for Obama if he ends up with the nomination. After Edwards dropped out (whom I supported because he actually acknowledged that poverty is a big problem in this country), I was quite torn between Clinton and Obama. I don't even tell people face-to-face whom I voted for in the primary because, in the end, it doesn't matter to me, because I'm going to vote for the Democratic nominee no matter what.

You know, back when people complained about those "radical, long-haired Kansas Republicans" who "wanted Government to interfere with business and private lives".

That didn't really change until the New Deal -- for that matter, FDR ran in 1932 saying that Hoover was interfering in the business cycle too much.

Tout ca change...

And it certainly doesn't give Republicans points in their favor NOW, as far as I'm concerned.

I'd love to have two non-evil parties presenting contrasting proposals to the people.

I just pointed out that I personally know racist who vote Democrat all the way. I did not say anything about Republicans ending slavery. Rush, Neal ,and Sean are mouthpieces for the networks. Thats their job. Do you understand the concept of divide and conquer? That is what they do. The point I tried to make is that Obama is someone who has upset the Status quo. I see this. Others do, too. Wither you believe he can win or not is not the point. I'll just be blunt and I apologize in advance. We are all slaves to the corporations, the plantation is just bigger. For to long the system Dems and Repubs,The Rich, have played men like me, against men like Mr Pete, Coach Brown, E. Elis, B.Gray and many other Men, who just happened to be black. My eyes are wide open now. The powers that be want to decide the next President. They do not want it to be Obama. Thats why we only get two choices. I have followed this site and others for several years and I know that there are those who, while not like me, think as I do to some extent. I did not come here to fight. My keyboard kung fu skills are no match for most on here. I came here to contact those who are free thinkers and not slaves to the systems way of thinking, those who truly want change. Wither he means it or not Obama is the change that this country needs. So all you revolutionaries, and their are many here, step up and sound off. Just so you'll know, I have more respect for Ted Kennedy than I have ever had. While skeptical of all politicans, I believe he backed Obama because it was right. One last point. Part of my lively hood consists of taking production equipment out of this country and installing it in other countries. Thats NAFTA. Who gave that to us?

rong wingers have been spoon fed the 'Clinton's are evil' meme for so long (an ex-girlfriend of my son once told me Hillary wanted to tattoo 666 on all new babies. I laughed at the absurdity but she was deadly serious) when given a choice they could go to the 'not Clinton'.

I can't and I won't. And they're at it again. How are we going to stop them from doing this in the future?

That's the way to unite and heal our nation! :sarcasm:

However, considering the OP thinks this is a wonderful thing . . . hmmm!

At least that's what the Hillary Hacks appear to believe.

Two conflicting but effective styles; Obama the inspirational speaker, Huckabee the homespun wit. Best of all, both might be able to avoid the mean-spiritedness that has permeated Presidential politics for many past elections.

hate and mean spiritedness you need to take a stand, by supporting a candidate that doesn't engage in that sort of thing.

all its goals over the last 40 years, by playing nice.

because he doesn't play by all their rules.

So far, he's managed to avoid the nastiness of the McCain/Romney feud. During debates, as the other candidates speak he acts completely respectful (in direct contrast to McCain/Romney/Thompson/Guliani and their eye-rolling and smirking).

I would like to see an honest and respectful debate of the issues in the GE rather than a political game. I know I'm being naive here - I'm sure "they" won't allow such a thing. But it's a nice thought.

That goes for religious liberals, too, of which there are many who struggle with the pro-choice issue.

The GOP is going to hammer Obama over and over as being "pro-abort," and although he may be getting popularity votes now because he's tried so hard to portray himself as a man of faith, it's hard to say if that's going to make a difference in the voting booth.

Wait until the Catholics turn their power against him, as they did against Kerry. That was ugly. And I say that as a Catholic, too, so I'm not disparaging the religion at all.

It's much easier to make excuses.

They're voting for the person, not the issues.

A great man or woman can rise above the issues.

Why all of a sudden would they decide to vote on the person? And why would that be good?

They haven't been voting for the issues (otherwise they would have elected people who would have, say, actually ended legal abortion).

They have been voting for candidates they trust and identify with.

about abortion, those voters still line up to drink out of the Republican trough of bullshit.

Inspired hope instead of hate? Because a true leader can rise above partisan politics and issues?

"conservative" even consider Obama?

It is beyond me why a liberal would support someone who wants to do away with income tax and social security, but it happens, I guess. I think the perceived honesty and integrity of the candidate has a lot to do with it.

I have a conservative-supports-Obama story of my own, but my conservative is a moderate and definitely NOT religious. I don't quite understand it, but welcome it just the same.

I think the perceived honesty and integrity of the candidate has a lot to do with it.

How messed up are we as a society that this is even a moderately surprising statement?

I think the personality of the candidate starts to mean more to them than the issues. Maybe honesty becomes the issue. :shrug:

Honesty means a lot to me, too, but they still have to be supporting my side of the issues to get my vote.

They're just plain confused.

And that government collusion with corporations has become so bad that they're willing to kill the government to make it stop. It's a new kind of libertarianism I haven't seen much before.

nice combo.


While I am no fan of the corporations or rampant capitalism in general, I'm still willing to believe the 200+ year experiment that is our government is over yet.

I've seen brilliant and profitable small companies shut down after running afoul of regulations essentially written by giant telcos precisely for the purpose of shutting down small companies.

I've seen successful direct-to-consumer farms with much safer produce and meats than factory farms shut down and the farms confiscated and given to Monsanto after a Monsanto lobbyist convinced the FDA inspector "not to waste his time on small operations". So the farm gets shut down since the FDA won't inspect it, and the land is seized.

I'm not as far gone as Paul supporters are that I think the situation can't be fixed, but I don't see any sign from Clinton that she even wants to fix it or even sees any of this as a problem.

before I read your reply, I was just thinking to myself that I'm probably reacting strongly because I can see where their coming from, too.

I don't fear Obama turning into a fundie... but if he is able to sucker them into voting for a liberal Democrat, good for him. Why does anyone have a problem with this?

And it's about who gets paid what when the IOUs come due. And I think that price will be paid at the cost of a woman's right to choose and gay rights.

...what the Republicans for Obama are saying.

With Obama you have the potential for Obama Republicans.

And anyone that ties Obama to Huckabee are not quite right.

All I can think of is the Star Trek robot when I see your ID :D

They would realize that this ultra-divisive strain of politics began with the Bush-Clintons in the 80's. They would also realize that wedge issues based on ridiculous prejudices which should have been left in the 19th century are what fuels this crap.

The real battle is not black vs white, believers vs atheists, male vs female, or gay vs straight, or US citizens vs Mexican immigrants or any other such thing. It's about a small fraction of corporatist thieving assholes who get richer by stealing from the rest of us, and they do so by putting their people in the government, by controlling nearly all of the Republican party, and sadly, a good portion of the Democratic party by way of the DLC.

You think I'm wrong? Let's vote the BushClintons out and find out once and for all. And if I'm wrong I'll personally apologize to each and every one of you.

But I'm not wrong. Can we reverse the downward spiral that America has been on for the last 28 years?

YES WE CAN!!

It's a challenge to move past our differences to unite as a Country. To move forward and address and solve the many problems that face our nation. We have a choice, either continue to bicker and engage in petty sqabbles or we can unite and do what needs to be done.

since they are actually the ones to blame for much of the divisiveness of modern day politics. Bill Clinton was merely a small state governor in the 80s, and the problems you cite mostly began with the Reagan Revolution. You know, the same Reagan your candidate has praised on more than one occasion.

If Obama supporters don't want to be called newbies to politics, then they should learn a little more about recent US history before posting. Either that, ot it's intentional attempts to rewrite history in order to bash a Dem rather than a repub.

And insulting me by calling me a "newbie to politics" isn't going to solve a damned thing. You want to know when my political awareness began? I can tell you the exact hour.

It was shortly after Noon, eastern time on January 20, 1981. The minute the announcement came that the Iranian hostages had been released. At about the same time Ronald Reagan and Poppy Bush were sworn into office.

Right then and there, I knew that stunk to high Heaven. And so I began digging. Half of what is now common knowledge about the Bush Crime Family (at least on this board) I knew before there was an internet available to research these facts so easily.

So, "political newbie"? I don't think so.

The facts and reason and issues, are not what's going to get them elected. It's like the two elections that George Bush won, he did it employing the same tactics Hillary and her supporters use.

The Moral Majority was its own devisive tool. It arose as a consequence of the liberties gained in the seventies and the social changes that were occurring.

BushClinton years tells me all I need to know. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of the Clintons- you don't have to resort to such childish tactics as that. The 80s were the Reagan-Bush years, or the Let's-see-how-quickly-we-can-bankrupt-the-country years, or even the Thatcher years if you were across the pond. But they sure as hell weren't the BushClinton years, except to someone trying to smear a rival candidate in a primary. You lose all credibility when you use BS tactics like that.


Oh and, while I should not have to say this, apparently I do. I am not a Clinton supporter. At all.

Been around well before Reagan and your condscending comments only attempt to maks a position that is wrong. Your candidate is nothing more of the same old politics of hate and division. Vote for Hillary if you care only about power and being in control. Vote for Obama if you care about the Country and the People in it. That's the clear cut choice

That's the problem on this board, any criticism of a candidate by a poster means that others automatically label them as a rival supporter. Ain't necessarily so.


Obama has a lot of good points, but he also has some negatives which need to be addressed. Especially the negatives of some of his supporters when they try to describe the 80s as the BushClinton time period. Seriously, wtf? That poster loses all credibility with any objective, uncommitted person when they try to rewrite the history of the 1980s in that way. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Clinton (both Bill and Hillary) without fabricating some out of thin air. Seriously, the BushClinton 80s?

So before you say anything else, I think that would be a good thing to do.

Been around well before Reagan and your condscending comments only attempt to maks a position that is wrong. Your candidate is nothing more of the same old politics of hate and division. Vote for Hillary if you care only about power and being in control. Vote for Obama if you care about the Country and the People in it. That's the clear cut choice

Been around well before Reagan and your condscending comments only attempt to maks a position that is wrong. Your candidate is nothing more of the same old politics of hate and division. Vote for Hillary if you care only about power and being in control. Vote for Obama if you care about the Country and the People in it. That's the clear cut choice

I remember all the Primaries and Conventions back to '68. I know how it started. You are employing the same tactics here. BushClintons indeed.
Wedge issues? 19th Century prejudice? The McClurkin Campaign booster says this without understanding the utter hypocrisy. Obama is the Senator from Panderville, hosting actual verbal attacks on gay people at his actual events. Divisive as anything I have ever seen out of the GOP.

why do people continue to ignore the evidence placed right under their very noses?

obama has generated incredible enthusiasm across the country from young and old, black and white, and yes dem AND republicans.

its not a policy thing. it's a "we are sick of staged media hype, our way or the highway, never admitting you are wrong, inflexibility, etc" thing. like it or not, obama IS generating enthusiasm among the right. you may try to spin this all you want because you feel threatened by it.

im a red state gal and i hear what they are saying.

let me give you an analogy. you know how huckabee scares the crap out of us. like, damn, if that guy was president it would be the most awful thing in the world. well, thats the way they feel about hillary. and you're missing the point about hillary's policies. it's not about that. it's about being willing to admit mistakes, to be willing to accept input from people before making decisions, it's about being a thoughtful world citizen, not a dictator who simply implements his rules. we're sick of staged "florida primary election win rallies" that are bullshit. we're sick of phony planted questions in the audience. we want a real candiate.

that's the draw. that's the popularity. Like it or not, we don't know hillary. she's a poll driven, politics as usual candidate who will say and do anything to get elected. i will vote for her in november if that's what it takes, and will give it my full effort, but until then i am adamant that this country needs a change in political rhetoric and will fight for my guy.

why attack the op for his story? you know its true. you're just engaging in more spin. "if it hurts your side, try to discredit the source". stop attacking him. it's just sad.

BRAVO!:woohoo:

The Republicans have keep the Christian right as their whipping boy for the last 30 years. This isn't about James Dobson or Pat Buchanan or any of that noise. It is people believing that Jesus was a liberal and salving a conscience about not standing for the poor and loving their neighbor while the corporations rape and pillage and the (R) keeps voting their handlers back into office.

Obama is giving them what they have been waiting for. A break from politics as usual and a chance to embrace a more progressive message that speaks to things like the Golden Rule as opposed to the Guilded Age Rulers.

Hillary doesn't give them that comfort level that they can get behind and change their outlook and give them that feeling that it will be OK in the end.

Trust me -- to a LOT of so-called "Conservative" Christians -- they are going out on a limb, but for the first time in 30 years they are willing to do so and they are putting their trust in BO's word.

Shame on all of you who are jumping down the throat of the OP.

Isn't this what we want -- to have them say "you were right and we were wrong"?

When does the pandering to the far Christian right stop? Because, believe me, they ain't gonna fall for this Jesus was a liberal stuff for too long. When does the day come when a politician takes into consideration the REST of us.

It isn't about falling for anything, it is about redefining ones values.

I am a Democrat because of my faith, not in spite of it.

They want a "Godly Nation" defined by what they consider Godly.

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