MUST READ!!!!! - NPR's Juan Williams thinks GOP 'agenda' is to help Obama win Dem nom

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Juan_Williams_calls_out_Fox_analysts_0210.html

Surprised to see this actually come out of Juan Williams!

these people would not vote for a good candidate that the GOP can rally around, to cross over and vote democratic, betting they can beat Obama? Are they willing to take that chance? Remember Rove's math in 06?

Rove tactics are dead in the water, that boat wont float. You think Rove can walk on water? Work miracles? Do you understand the amount of organization it would take to get the mouthbreathers to do this, and not hear about it long before now? Come on. As much as people go over to Freeperville and not hear one peep about this so called "Campaign"??

Is it that hard to give Obama some credit? That maybe, just maybe his message resonates with people, and they show it by voting for him?

On what basis can you claim that Obama is less electable than Clinton?

His favorable numbers?

No. Because they show his numbers beating both Hillary's and McCain's. Hillary's was actually the lowest among ALL MAJOR CANDIDATES.

His poll numbers against John McCain?

No. He consistently polls better by 4 or 5 points against McCain compared with Clinton.

His support among independents?

He is far superior among independents and has defeated Hillary in every election among independents, save Massachusettes.

So this is just some guy's opinion. Some guy with a dog in the race: Hillary. So some Hillary supporter thinks Hillary is the stronger candidate based on nothing but a hunch, and we're all suppose to keel over?

No thanks. Evidence shows otherwise.

I'm sticking with Obama.

--p!

Look @ the polls Juano.

"It is this simple: in recent decades the Clintons are the only Democrats that win elections against Republicans... They don't want to ever face them again, no more complicated than that," Seaton blogs.

Ross Perot, anyone? In 1992, Clinton beat Bush. It's true. The results were: Clinton, 43%; Bush, 37.4%; Perot, 18.9%. Clinton had a whole lot of help beating Bush back then, and I don't see any Perots in the race this year to help them out.

Even if Hillary is the nominee, is the suggestion that we're shit out of luck until Chelsie can run?

It's a preposterous meme.

Do they really think our memories are that bad?

He often appears on Hannity and Colmes, The O'Reilly Factor, Special Report, and Fox News Sunday.

Many people believe this.

:freak:

And thats all I have to say about that.

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I happen to believe that we can't win without the independents.
McCain rates very well with them...Sen Clinton doesn't.
Obama does very well with independents and also republicans.
He would be far tougher to beat than Clinton

But believe what you wish.
I'll stick with reality

Do we have a snoring smiley?

:rofl:

It was Juan Williams giving his OPINION on a fucking FOX NEWS panel!!

Are you fucking joking me?

"On Fox News Sunday, NPR's Juan Williams told The Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol that he thought Republican analysts want Senator Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee because they actually believe he will be easier to defeat than Clinton."

That's from YOUR link, friend.

:rofl:

is way more Faux News than NPR- where he's only on a couple of times a month. And not only did he drift to the right years ago, but he's not a particularly sharp guy.

Because there is no secret cabal of "GOP" orchestrating the Dem contests? Because the GOP can barely figure out who they want to run for President, much less unify on who they want to run against?

You know, real world stuff. Reality stuff. You'll get used it.

And sometimes I read dumbfuck opinions like those of Fox News flack Juan Williams.

Do you really believe that the GOP is able to conspire to foist a candidate on the Democrats? Are you really that divorced from reality?

which is what he did in the Weakly Standard? He barely disguised his contempt for Obama while "endorsing" him means that he and his ilk want Obama in the general. A lot of the neocon sludge particularly, are going all out propping up Obama. Why would they do that?

12-30-07 Washington Journal, first guest.

can we stop doing their work for them?

this story is BS five times over

I'm not arguing the points of the story, but I wish that people would stop using right wing shit as the basis for their arguments

this has been posted: As the article points out, the GOPers can't decide who they want to face. Some want Obama, some want Clinton. If this was an organized effort they would all be on the same page.

"It is this simple: in recent decades the Clintons are the only Democrats that win elections against Republicans... They don't want to ever face them again, no more complicated than that," Seaton blogs.

We shall see

and it something to take into consideration. The pukes are up to something and I hope no one is naive to the point they think the pukes are going to unite behind Obama, no questions asked.

The pukes are up to something, what it is, only time will tell.

I don't find it particularly interesting, either.

If Williams was doing something like real analysis, that would be one thing. When he throws out random facts and expects to sound smart, as here, that's another. I'd be happy to hear an explanation of how this election resembles previous Clinton elections in any particulars whatsoever. That would make the historical analogy actually mean something. The truth is that this election does not resemble 1992 or 1996 AT ALL so using either of those as a comparison is deeply, deeply flawed.

Then why are they going out of their way to beg Dems to give them Clinton as our nominee and why are they as a whole saying so many nice things about Obama?

you better hope people are wrong about the GOP 'agenda' to help Obama win Dem nom. Because the Red were pretty sneaky in 2000 and 2004.

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I can't overstate how fucking stupid this is.

You are hearing the stories of the massive turnouts, unexpected numbers of people going to primaries and caucus. I dont believe all of them are GOPers...who would sabotage their own primaries, by voting for Obama instead of the foaming at the mouth warhog canidate, willing to continue the * regime policies...do you? Do you seriously believe it? seriously?

who regularly goes on the Bill O'really show.


Fox's Juan Williams repeated NY Times' misrepresentation of Clinton approval rating


WILLIAMS: Well, I mean -- to me, it's -- you know -- what's interesting is everybody knows who Hillary Clinton is. There's no secrets there. You spoke of baggage, Chris . I mean, you got to -- when you compare the ideas -- I think it's like 41 percent in the last Washington Post poll that -- you know -- her approval rating, but it's 100 percent that know Hillary Clinton. So, what is that disconnect?

What is going on there and why is it that Hillary Clinton -- even though she far outpaces Barack Obama, John Edwards, and the like -- why is it that people still have the strong emotional response? Is it about Bill Clinton? I think it is. I think it's about Bill Clinton. I think it's about what happened in the scandals. I think it goes back to the health care controversy early on, when she was given authority, and the sense that she has -- she lives in a bubble and is very, you know, sort of intellectual, limited group of people that have influence over her.

Now, on the other hand, I think, you know, when it comes to Iraq, she has been running a moderate course and so, some who are on the left of the Democratic Party actually see her as too political, too soft on Iraq, too soft on President Bush, but that might be the reason that she could actually get elected.
http://www.coloradomediamatters.org/items/200701220005

Juan Williams, Fox News and the NPR conundrum


For years, journalist Juan Williams has straddled the divide between two unique media worlds; the thoughtful and erudite journalism of National Public Radio (NPR), where Williams serves as an analyst, and the rowdy hothouse at Fox News, where Williams works as a contributor. Most of the time, the two worlds don't collide. But recently they did, and NPR has the bruises to show for it.

That's because last week Williams wasn't commenting about the news, he was in the middle of it. First, he became entangled in the controversy that swirled around Bill O'Reilly's puzzling comments about visiting Harlem, which were seen by many as being racially insensitive. Williams, a prominent African-American journalist, strenuously defended O'Reilly on Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor and accused his critics of launching a smear campaign.

Then later in the week, Williams made news when he complained that NPR had turned down the White House's offer to have him interview President Bush and discuss race relations. Officials at NPR were uncomfortable having the White House handpick the interviewer, so they passed. Fox News though, quickly accepted the invitation, complete with restrictions, and Williams conducted the interview for the all-news cable channel.

With his often over-excited and misleading defense of O'Reilly, as well as his need to publicly side with Fox News and badmouth NPR's decision regarding the Bush interview, it seems Williams no longer straddles that peculiar media divide. Instead, he's deliberately marched over into the Fox News camp and in the process has stripped away some layers of his journalistic integrity.

Worse, real damage is being done to NPR by having its name, via Williams, associated with Fox News' most opinionated talker. In fact, Williams' recent appearance on The O'Reilly Factor almost certainly violated NPR's employee standards, which prohibit staffers from appearing on programs that "encourage punditry and speculation rather than fact-based>>>>

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200710020005


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Only because on the radio around here the republicans are asking people to stay home and not vote if McCain is the nominee unless Hilary is running.


Like it or not, the right hates Hilary. It scares to me think that may be the one thing that unites their party.


If anyone wants to ease my fears, go for it. :P

There's no there there. The man has a right to his opinion. That's all this is.

It's just the way it is.

My fellow Deleuzian (if such a thing exists)!

He's one of those Fox News "Democrats" like Colmes.

Williams is pro-DINO/DLC. Has been and always will be. His whoring for Faux was the last straw for me.

J

These right wing radio types (Rush, Hannity) are lousy actors anyway. They hate HRC and can't contain it, their callers hate the Clintons. Juan is being paranoid and silly. He didn't back up his opinion with much substance either. HRC is their last hope to unite the party. Obama will split the independents with McCain while the right sits at home. HRC will lose the independents and get the right wing to flock to the polls in droves. Since independents make up 30% or more of the voters they are the ultimate prize. She won't get them over McCain and so will probably lose the general election. They want HRC badly but admire Obama for winning against the Clinton machine, which their side could not do. Its a surprise to almost every insider around.

Hmmmmm...................

it is a theory that quite a few Democrat friends have told me they suspect is going on.
It is not unheard of for the Thugs to try to manipulate that way....Ralph Nader's campaign comes to mind.
If it is true, I hope we all get the last laugh in November.

Actually I read the article and Juan didn't think that...he's just suspicious of Kristol.

He's a Clinton hack and is in tight with the Fox News boys. His little side thing on NPR is deceptive.

should vote for Hillary so that she'll win. The "logic"? They "know how to run against Hillary".

I think this can be said for both sides and I'm tired of trying to select a candidate based on who the Repukes want. I'm tired of doing things they want. Lets pick our candidate.

I always watch the panel discussion on FNS and during the primaries Juan Williams is the only one who is regularly downing Obama.

If you go on FR you regularly see comments like "I fear Obama because I like him" or "He's the best communicator since Regan" or "I wish he was conservative." You mean to tell me these racists would rather run against Obama than Hillary?

Juan is like those chicken little types on DU that crapped themselves over John Kerry's botched joke and actually thought it would cost us the midterm's.




And yes I'm Black so I can say NEGROES as much as I F'n want.