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phillyliberal Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:09 PM
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can Barack beat McCain? Why or Why not.
Just trying to get some insight and opinions into this type of election. Youth v Experienced... Similiar to Kennedy v Nixon, despite JFK's edge on Obama in regards to experience.


thanks
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:11 PM
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1. YES
everyone hates McCain. Obama is drawing in the republicans because they hate McCain. Guess who else they have a passionate hate for?
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:12 PM
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2. Let's see, many Republicans hate McCain and independents would go to Obama....
Gee, I wonder who would win such a race? :D
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:33 PM
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21. "Independents would go to Obama"; don't be so certain about that.
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 10:34 PM by Carrieyazel
Remember, this is McCain we're talking about. He has significant independent appeal. We can't ignore that. He does the best among Indeps than any other Repube I can think of. He will make a huge push for Indeps and he'll win many of them.

There won't be any more Dem primaries/caucuses for Obama after the spring. This is going to be a general. A whole new ballgame.
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:12 PM
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3. easily
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:13 PM
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4. Possibly.
But the racism will get ugly. There will be a whispering campaign, like the one being conducted now against Hillary.

But that's politics.

--p!
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:20 PM
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11. Yes and the Obama-boating
Will fail and leave the Flying Monkey Water carries and their masters exposed as the utter rat humping fear pimping hate mongering power at any cost freaks they are! But will the Corporate M$M get a pass in this?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:23 PM
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14. I agree-possibly - I hope so but the Social Security crowd will not care much if Hillary not in race
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:15 PM
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5. Well as you have heard the democrats are badly divided along
race and gender lines where the Republicans don't seem to have any splits along those lines. Their races and gender seem to be lining up same as always. But they are split along the crazy and fucking crazy lines.
Let's see, blacks, Hispanics, women and half the white men will vote Dem for Obama. McCain will counter with older white men and fixed voting machines. Could be close.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:17 PM
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6. Highly likely as long as nothing truly scandalous doesn't come out against Obama.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:18 PM
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7. Sure...Why not? It has more to do with how the Democrats sell the party.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:19 PM
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8. Like a bad piece of meat
hands down
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:20 PM
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9. he'll beat him like Goldwater
or like Reagan beat Mondale.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:20 PM
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10. Of course he can!
Actually, either of the candidates can. I think H. Clinton would have more difficulty than Obama, but she'd win over him as well.

First on McCain. He is disliked by a huge percentage of Repukes. He is a man with ZERO self-confidence. The man didn't defend his daughter when the current Bush was running an insulting campaign against him and bringing his daughter into the insults. He is old for presidential office and not in great health. He's totally in favor of Iraq, a HUGE SORE POINT on the side of the American population. Any Dem would beat him, in my opinion.

As for why each of our Dems would... well, because they at least better intentions than any Repuke, and people are suffering financially and physically from everything this piece of crap administration has done. Folks don't want another Repuke. They want a Dem. Actually, if the corporate right wing media would allow it, people would've chosen an EDWARDS. But we must wait and work on the media once our Dem folk are in the White House.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:23 PM
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12. 1. Obama beats him on the all-important indie vote which McCain will get against Clinton.
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 10:23 PM by AtomicKitten
2. Obama has outperformed Hillary in matchups with McCain in the last 6:6 polls.

3. Obama will provide the polar opposite of Grandpa Crazy's Foreign Policy which will play well since most Americans want out of Iraq.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:23 PM
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13. If your message is change
McCain is the perfect candidate to do it against
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:25 PM
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15. it will be a landslide of epic proportions
McCain will have a certain gunslinger appeal to some of the right, and possibly some independents

remember what the electoral map looked like when Clinton won?

You'll see that again if Obama runs against McCain. It will be a BLOODBATH.
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JorgeTheGood Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:26 PM
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16. No ... Obama can not beat McCain
BO will suffer the worse defeat in modern history and the crushing blow will be the loss of California (amnesty).
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DiamondJay Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:26 PM
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17. its tough
I think it all will depend on how the public reacts to his name and color, only because on the issues he wins on everything. also it depends on the national security issue. of course this is if he wins the nomination and hillary doesn't.
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JorgeTheGood Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:26 PM
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18. self delete
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 10:27 PM by JorgeTheGood

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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:28 PM
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19. My fear is that the Republicans who turned out to vote for Obama in the primaries
will vote for McCain in the general election.

I don't trust them at all.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:28 PM
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20. It is hard to say. No one without experience has been a nominee in wartime before
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 10:29 PM by jackson_dem
In a normal year Obama would have the edge but given the wartime situation McCain's strength happens to be Obama's weakness. Hillary has her own problems but one thing she does is neutralize McCain on security and then beat him on domestic issues.
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Phil McCavity Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:38 PM
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22. Diebold n/t
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JorgeTheGood Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:46 PM
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23. They won't need Diebold ...
Many (most?) Hillary backers will stay home if BO gets the nom. Those Hillary votes represent the democratic base.

Without that base, Obama will be crushed to the point that the aftermath will make it embarrassing to even admit to being a democrat.

Worse ... the low dem turnout will probably cost the dems the house and senate along with the white house, the consequences of which will be a 8-1 (possibly a 9-0) conservative Supreme Court.
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