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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:30 PM
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Josh Marshall says "WTF?" (Washington pug primary result was Fixed)
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 12:06 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
As you know, here at TPM we've been really curious what happened up in the Republican caucus in Washington state. For probably the first time in all the primaries and elections I've ever watched, the folks running the election decided to stop counting the votes with 13% of the votes uncounted. And this wasn't a 70-30 blow out, but a tight race where the two top vote getters were separated by less than 2% of the vote. Then this morning, state party chair Luke Esser decided to declare McCain the winner.

Now, when we were watching this last night and I was trying to examine the tea leaves this morning, I was assuming they'd come forward with some story that there was some hang up with the votes or some mechanical issue. Whether it would be true is another matter. But you'd think you'd at least come up with a good story.

But state party chair Luke Esser said that he just thought it was the right thing to do. According to Esser, sometime overnight Esser did some sort of back of the envelope statistical analysis of the the margin of McCain's lead (1.8%) and the number votes left uncounted (13%) and decided that Huckabee didn't have a chance and he'd shut the thing down and declare McCain the winner.

So was that a good idea? Here's Esser's rationale ...
“Maybe it would have been safer if I hadn't said anything. But it was an exciting and historic day for the state and I thought if I was confident about what the outcome would be I should share that with the people who had gone out to their caucuses.”
So it was just such a rollicking good time Esser figured he owed the participants a decision as long as he was confident what the outcome would be.

... snip ...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/177863.php

Late Update: It seems that Washington State GOP chair Luke Esser spent most of the day avoiding calls from the Huckabee campaign. And when he finally got back to them he told a lawyer for Huckabee's campaign that they'd probably count the rest of the votes some time next week. When the lawyer, Lauren Huckabee, the candidate's daughter-in-law, requested that a Huckabee lawyer be present when the remaining votes were counted, Esser hung up on her. Before the hang up, Huckabee also asked Esser about the DIY statistical analysis he did to conclude that he should call the race (Esser's expertise in statistics apparently stems from previous work as a state prosectur and a sports writer). Was there an analysis of what precincts the remaining votes came from? According to Huck campaign manager Ed Rollins, Esser admitted that he didn't which precincts the remaining votes came from.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:32 PM
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1. In that case I dont blame Huckabee for challenging the results
What a fucked up thing to do!
:wtf:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:55 PM
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5. Huckabee is a better man that McCain - who didn't challenge W stealing SC
in 2000!
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:58 PM
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7. Bush didn't steal SC in the sense of election fraud,
...he just had his people spread lies about John McCain.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:01 AM
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8. Actually, he did both.
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 12:02 AM by robbedvoter
It was well known in 2000 that the numbers didn't add up. SC was the dry run for Florida (and Tennessee, and Georgia and a few more I suspect)
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:35 PM
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2. Boy, I didn't know it was that close. I don't blame Huckabee for "questioning"
the count.


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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:48 PM
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3. That's news to me. I'd challenge in Huckabee's position.
Was quitting the count even legal?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:52 PM
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4. I really think they're trying to steal the election from Huckabee.
It would be a boatload of bad news for McCain if he lost all three. I smell conspiracy.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:56 PM
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6. Well, if Luke Esser made a prediction, then why bother counting the votes?
(sarcasm)
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:03 AM
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9. I read earlier that Huck is lawyered up and heading to WA
Damn, this is the most fascinating race ever. :-)
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:05 AM
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11. Yes. Here's Huckabee's statement (Fun reading)
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:13 AM
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12. Great quote: "We must reemphasize the sacred American principle that all ballots be counted...."
"...in a free, fair, and transparent manner."

- Ed Rollins for the Huckabee campaign.

Republicans weren't so eager to count the votes in Florida in 2000.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:04 AM
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10. It boggles my mind.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:21 AM
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13. I wondered about this...
Huckabee was ahead for most of the early vote count, wasn't he? Then I looked up and all of a sudden McCain was the winner.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:09 AM
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14. Hmmm.... Where was Kathleen Harris this weekend?
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:11 AM
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15. They'll "probably count the rest of the votes some time next week"??
:wtf: Is that even legal? If it is, it's still stupid. Huckabee should demand witnesses when they finally get around to counting.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:37 AM
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16. They will announce the result some time after McCain wins VA and MD
"And in other news... turns out Huckabee won Washington."
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