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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:41 PM
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MSNBC: Obama's Meeting with Edwards is Off
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 01:01 PM by hnmnf
No reason why, its just not happening anymore.

EDIT: MSNBC said that when asked about why the meeting was cancelled, the Obama campaign says that they should ask John Edwards.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:42 PM
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1. ut oh
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:43 PM
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3. Obama probably does not want to make any deals.
There was a report that Edwards approached him earlier and was rebuffed. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..Guess either Hillary will get the endorsement or there won't be an endorsement.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:44 PM
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7. well, Obama was supposed to meet with him, but called it off at the last minute
I don't think you can assume that Obama was ok with it yesterday and not today
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:45 PM
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9. Also...I wondered how Obama was going to fit a visit to NC
into his schedule today...........
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:23 PM
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88. BINGO!!! Hillary already said JE would be a part of anything she does
meaning she offered him a position in her administration

JE wants the best deal possible, O will not play lets make a deal

GOOD FOR OBAMA!!!! He gets the integrity vote....AGAIN!!
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 03:02 AM
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127. You have absolutely no idea............
of what happened. None.
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debatepro Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:11 PM
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122. IT WILL BE RESCHEDULED!!!... Site after jump
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/02/11/obama-edwards_meeting_a_no-go_for_now/9030/

By whom and why were not known, ABC reported. A source in the Illinois senator's campaign said the meeting would be rescheduled.
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debatepro Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:16 PM
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123. OBAMA: "It will be rescheduled. We're gonna make it happen." Media is the cause of the delay!!!!!!


http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/obama_meeting_with_edwards_res.html


Asked about the meeting during a visit to a local coffee shop, Obama responded, "It will be rescheduled. We're gonna make it happen."

The Illinois senator said nothing more before turning to continue making his way through the crowd.

Edwards' house has been staked out by television crews all day after news of a meeting leaked.. And one aide to Obama cited that as a reason not to meet today.


Basically Media frenzy around the meeting caused the day.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:42 PM
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2. Any info on who called it off?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:43 PM
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4. had to be Obama
just what I think though
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:45 PM
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8. he rebuffed Edwards once already
appears arrogant, though, to this Edwards fan.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. No he didn't, so stop spreading lies.
That was a rumor with no evidence to suggest it was true.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #12
39. 'no evidence to suggest it was true'
doesn't make it a lie.

Believe what you want.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:45 PM
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10. If true, I don't think that would be smart on Obama's part. n/t
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:44 PM
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5. not the first time Obama snuffed Edwards! eom
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:57 PM
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31. Oh please...You don't even know what happened.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:44 PM
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6. Heres to hoping John Shows up at the College Park Rally and endorses him!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:45 PM
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11. do not count on that!! eom
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:46 PM
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13. I personally don't think Obama needs to grovel or make deals. JMHO.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:25 PM
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49. God forbid Obama lower himself to make concessions with the lowly John Edwards.
Just listen to yourself. Is Obama really that arrogant? Because if that's the message that filters through to the voters, the result won't be pretty.

You underestimate the support of Edwards. The media killed him. But there are a lot of us out here who still admire and support him and want him to have influence.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:15 PM
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76. He is. Remember him belitting Edwards in the SC debate?
"When you have a woman, an African-American running...and John..."

Compare that to Hillary in response to the same question: "You have a woman, an African American, and a son of the South..."

Hillary showed due respect to Edwards.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:46 PM
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14. rut roh
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #14
22. I didn't think it possible but you made me laugh
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HopeforChange Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:46 PM
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15. Maybe he just needs a day off
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:49 PM
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18. Maybe
Edwards told him mandates or no go and Obama said, "Then there is no reason for me to waste my time."
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:48 PM
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16. Why should Obama have to travel to NC to grovel to Edwards on the eve of a primary?
Silliness.

Let this be a foreshadowing of his presidency: Obama will grovel to no special interest.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Edwards is a "special interest" now?
lol
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. He's a good one, but yes.
I like Obama's independence.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. I wouldn't describe one man as a "special interest"
Especially since we have no idea what he is asking for.

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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. But... but I thought he was supposed to be the uniter!
You know, build bridges, work with people from all parts of the political spectrum, etc etc etc.

So which is it?
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:57 PM
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33. No one said he can't work with Edwards.
Obama isn't going to compromise his beliefs to appease anyone, though. Not saying that's what's happening here, I just think it's a part of his character.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:59 PM
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34. lol
Man alive, how do you live in such fantasy world, given even the little we know about the perfect Saint Obama?

Do you also think he walks on water?

He's a politician like any other.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?em&ex=1202101200&en=f2853a7f59384438&ei=5087%0A
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #33
45. Oh No - sounds like another George Bush....
messiah complex
noncompromising
overly proud
etc, etc.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #45
62. I've been getting a lot of deja vu lately.... nt
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #28
60. I guess that only applies to working with Republicans. nt
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. I agree
There is no time for paying visits.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #16
41. I hope this is the case. I hope Obama was rude and arrogant
like your post.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #16
77. Except the nuke industry, the drug/health insurance industry, "free trade" corporate interests, etc.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #16
99. Yeah, right. dream on. n/t
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #16
100. Yeah, right. dream on. n/t
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:51 PM
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19. Probably because he is campaigning today - 3 states votes tomorrow.
He can meet with John later this week or next week.

I was hoping JRE would hold off on endorsing until after tomorrow, anyway.

Jumping to conclusions is a waste of time and energy.

Peace.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #19
56. But wouldn't they just say "scheduling conflict" was the cause of the meeting being cancelled?
That's what I don't get.

I think it would be incredibly short sighted of Obama to just snub Edwards. And even if they had differences, why wouldn't he at least TRY to resolve them in a meeting? Maybe he thinks he doesn't need JRE supporters' votes? And evidently HRC believes she DOES need them.

Somebody must be telling Obama that the meeting would hurt him more than help him, even if it is just a disagreement over a policy issue (and I don't think health care mandates is that much of a deal breaker at this stage of the game).

I think there is more to this than meets the eye...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #56
78. Or less -
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 03:16 PM by karynnj
The story in the op does not say that Obama called it off - in fact the answer of ask JRE, suggests he did. I'm surprised Obama would plan to fly to NC on the eve of three primaries but that seems to have been the plan. One would think JRE would fly to the DC area. I'm sure there could be a private place (Obama's home or the home of a JRE or Obama friend - where it could be equally private. (Doesn't Kennedy have an estate.) Could be JRE had a conflict.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #78
108. Evidently, it was a scheduling conflict. There was a post here on DU
that appeared after I responded to this thread.

As a former JRE supporter I voted for Hillary in our Super Tuesday primary because I didn't want to never have the chance again to vote for a woman for President. I was ok with my decision since I knew if Obama won the nomination I'd support him eagerly. In fact, given the polls showing HRE losing to McCain and Obama winning over McCain, I now want Obama to win.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:55 PM
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110. It was a scheduling conflict - From NBC's Mark Murray:
Per the Obama campaign, the reason behind the cancellation of tonight's Obama-Edwards meeting is purely a scheduling conflict -- and that both camps are working to reschedule.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/11/655928.aspx

:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #110
121. Wow! This post is buried, IndyOP!
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 08:12 PM by zidzi
I just got here tonight and wondered what the speculation was about regarding John Edwards possibly endorsing hilary..and no seemed to know. :)

Thanks for this info..I'm off to share it with some peeps!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:51 PM
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21. Edwards for Hillary?
Explaining this will be funny if it happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugkNSa9xxo
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:52 PM
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23. I heard that. I also heard that Edwards is deciding based on who's more electable
besides who will take up his cause of poverty. :eyes: I suppose this has NOTHING to do with him having a place in the winner's admin. So after ALL his talk about Hillary being the status quo, accepting more money than anyone from lobbyists, etc., he may up endorsing her? Once again-looking out for himself. I still haven't forgotten how he chose to FOREGO taking matching funds only until he was unable to raise as much as the other 2, at which point he suddenly chose to take a "principled stand" and TAKE matching funds, as if he never tried to raise as much as the others.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. Won't you feel silly if he endorses Obama? n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. No. I EXPECT him to endorse Obama. If he doesn't, it's obvious he's an opportunist. n/t
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #35
50. So, if he endorses your candidate, no props, if he endorses the other candidate, death!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #50
57. A little dramatic, don't ya think?
I EXPECT him to endorse Obama since he constantly portrayed himself as Obama-like, as someone else who represented change while Hillary represented the status quo, so he said. I hope Obama canceled the meeting when he heard he secretly met with Hillary, obviously trying to see who will give him the best deal.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #57
69. Edwards probably promised both of them he would meet with both of them before making a decision.
Not everything is some underworld deal.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #69
73. "Probably" is your opinion. n/t
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #73
81. and I have seen nothing to contridict it
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #81
86. How about the report that Hillary SECRETLY met with Edwards Friday?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #86
90. the meeting with Obama was supposed to be secret too, but someone leaked it
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. Where did you hear that reported? Or are you just making it up?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #91
94. everything regarding this meeting has been from unnamed sources
that means leaking
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #94
96. So "probably" IS your opinion.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. and I have seen nothing to contridict it
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #97
102. delete-dupe
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 03:56 PM by jenmito
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #97
103. We've already been through this. It's all based on your assumptions.
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 03:54 PM by jenmito
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #91
109. just to give evidence

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/obama_meeting_with_edwards_res.html
Edwards' house has been staked out by television crews all day after news of a meeting leaked.. And one aide to Obama cited that as a reason not to meet today.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #57
82. That was in a campaign
Do you really think Obama thinks Hillary is the status quo too? Both Obama and Edwards know Hillary would also bring change but they needed the "change" card because that is the strongest thing they had against her.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #82
89. Of COURSE! Hillary would NOT bring change which is obvious by the facts that she
takes lobbyist money, voted for the Kyl/Lieberman bill, said she would NOT meet with our enemies unconditionally, and uses the terror card just like Bush.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #50
80. Compare that to the class of Hillary supporters
Obamites: IF HE DOESN'T ENDORSE MY PERFECT SAINTLY CANDIDATE HE IS A FRAUD!
Hillary supporters: "We'll respect his decision but we hope he endorses Hillary."

Then they wonder why folks see cultlike tendencies...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #80
107. HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Hillary supporters: Kerry's a loser. Kennedy's old news. Oprah's a worthless celebrity. Keith Olbermann is a RW tool. And on and on and on... :rofl:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. I really don't think that's the point. Honestly. Its not about who
gets a "coveted" endorsement.. its about playing ends against the middle, not making up one's own mind based on ones principles and its about making deals. I supported Edwards and obviously I don't know the ins and outs of what is going on, but on the surface it looks superficial. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Again, its not about endorsements.. its the manner in which an endorsement is being courted and perhaps bargained over. That's not the man I supported.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. I agree. And MSNBC just reported that when asked why, the Obama camp said to contact the Edwards'
camp.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. That makes me suspect Edwards will endorse Clinton,
and that he had pretty much made his decision to do so yesterday. Obama did not want to appear an ineffectual negotiator. He had a good excuse to cancel...primaries coming up. I suspect Obama was not in a position to counter or better whatever Clinton promised Edwards.

But this is just speculation. I'm still voting Obama in May.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #42
58. You're probably right.
I'm glad you're still voting for Obama! :hi:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #42
59. That makes some sense, actually, altho I don't know why it was announced earlier
that Obama would be meeting with JRE. Why would JRE allow that to be said if he was going to endorse HRC?

There's something here I can't quite put my finger on yet...
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #59
124. My guess is that Edwards hadn't decided who to endorse when the meetings were set up.
But all this is really just a guess, based mostly on the tone of the Obama camp's answer.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #42
75. I think that would deeply disappoint many Edwards supporters...
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 03:05 PM by RiverStone
As a former Edwards supporter - I can't fathom with his position on lobbyists - that he would endorse Hillary.

I'd rather he endorse nobody then be a hypocrite.

Of course, I'm basing this concern on rumor.

So --- I should chill eh?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #75
83. What about his positions on health care and even trade (which are closer to Hillary)?
The lobbyist thing was always overblown. Less than 1% of Hillary's cash comes from them and Edwards knows that Obama and Hillary are both equally awash in corporate money.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #75
85. Follow the money.
Follow the money. Obama's presidential campaign has received nearly $5 million dollars from securities and investment firms and $866,000 from commercial banks through October of 2007. Obama's top contributor so far is Goldman Sachs (provider of $369,078 to Obama), identified by Center for Responsive Politics (CRP) investigators as "a major proponent of privatizing Social Security as well as legislation that would essentially deregulate the investment banking/securities industry." Eight of Obama's top twenty election investors are securities and investment firms: Goldman Sachs, Lehman Bros. (number 2 at $229,090), J.P. Morgan Chase and Co. (# 4 at $216,759), Citadel Investment Group (#7 at 4166,608), UBS AG ($146,150), UBS-America ($106,680), Morgan Stanley ($104,421), and Credit Suisse Group ($92,300). The last two firms are also known to be leading privatization advocates (Center for Responsive Politics 2007a).

Meanwhile, Obama's presidential run has been "assisted" by more than $2 million from the health care sector and nearly $400,000 from the insurance industry through October of 2007 (Center for Responsive Politics 2007b). Obama received $708,000 from medical and insurance interests between 2001 and 2006 (Center for Responsive Politics 2007c). His wife Michelle, a fellow Harvard Law graduate, was until a recently a Vice President for Community and External Affairs at the University of Chicago Hospitals, a position that paid her $273, 618 in 2006 (Sweet 2007).

And Obama's sixth largest contributor is Exelon, the proud Chicago-based owner and operator of more nuclear power plants than any entity on earth (Center for Responsive Politics 2007a).

snip

As for his "lobbyist ban," last August the Los Angeles Times reported that Obama "raised more than $1 million in the first three months of his presidential campaign from law firms and companies that have major lobbying operations in the nation's capital." Campaign finance expert Stephen Weissman observed that this raised troubling questions about the practical relevance of Obama's much-ballyhooed pledge to turn down donations from "federal lobbyists."



http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=463&Itemid=34

The whole article is worth reading. I got the link from a thread here at DU last night.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #40
55. But he said something similar before Sen Kennedy
endorsed him. Something to the effect of, I think you need to talk to Sen Kennedy. He can speak on his own behalf.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #55
61. Yeah, but that was about an endorsement...not about something that changed, possibly
because Obama refuses to pander to him.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #61
101. "Because Obama refused to pander to him"
The extraordinary egocentricism of Obamites is astounding! Everything you process and say, goes through a filter of being the center of the Universe,like my five year old.

I have news for you Jenmito, IT IS EDWARDS WHO is holding the cards here, and Obama who has been BEGGING for the JRE endorsement. The moment it appears he won't get it, the bar is pushed back, collective amnesia takes place and you all forget you have been salivating for Edwards.

Don't you remember all those "John will make a great AG" posts?

It isn't that Obama refuses to pander, as he panders and grovels to all the drug and insurance companies, so he hasn't forgotten how it's done. It IS THAT EDWARDS SAID NO!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #101
120. Talk about having amnesia, ClericJohnPreston...
you must've "forgotten" that Edwards chose to NOT take matching funds before becoming "holier than thou" and TAKING them after not being able to raise as much money as much money as he had hoped. And you must've "forgotten" that Edwards was involved in a hedge fund that he CLAIMED was just a "learning experience."

Your infantile name-calling ("Obamites") makes YOU sound like you're five years old. And your amnesia of EDWARDS' record is hilarious. But the fact is that his new-found "angry populist" persona didn't work must really hurt you. I couldn't care less whether Edwards endorses Obama or not, but it's a FACT that he tried to hitch himself to Obama's wagon almost all the time while he was in the race.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #37
52. But we don't really know what is going on, do we? n/t
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #23
63. This is a glimpse of what we can expect if Edwards endorses Clinton.
Edwards will be the next respected person to be trashed for daring not to HOPE.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. Who said it would be because he dared not to hope?
Could you quote where I said that? Thanks.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #63
113. Or if he endorses Obama
I recall plenty of people trashing both the MA Senators - though both took pains to praise all 3 candidates.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #63
126. Agreed 100%. Unbelievable.
The universially liked, will almost be the universially hated.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:54 PM
Response to Original message
26. Maybe they're not HAVING a meeting because they don't NEED to...
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 12:54 PM by rocknation
after all, it would look kind of tacky for Edwards to get the VP nod from someone he endorsed, wouldn't it?

:evilgrin:
rocknation
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:55 PM
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27. If John is endorsing on principle, he can only endorse Obama. If Hillary, it will be for a plum.
If Edwards endorses Hillary, it won't help her any, but it will cause many who have always respected John, like me, to dump him in the same outhouse with Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman.

Either way, he's waited too late for his endorsement to matter. John Edwards' voters followed him on principle, and if he endorses Clinton, he loses all that shine he once had.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. So Edwards is Zell Miller if he endorses Hillary?
Jesus Christ.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #27
74. Couldn't agree more...
Hillary's exactly the corporate insider Edward's railed against. If he endorses her I'm done with him.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #74
84. Edwards knows the data, not the sloganeering and Axlerod image making
Obama is as awash in corporate cash as Hillary. Edwards knows this. Remember him pointing out Obama has received more money from the drug industry than any candidate in either party? Yes. More than Hillary...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #84
112. Yes I do and it was the employees of those companies
If he raised the most money overall - he likely wins in most industry groups.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 12:55 PM
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29. I would prefer all our Democrats were willing to speak with and meet each other.
Maybe it's just a scheduling conflict. I really hope that Edwards is impressing upon Obama the importance of truly universal healthcare. I just think it's a core principal and want to see whoever gets the nomination address it fully and with the fire and passion it deserves.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:00 PM
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36. Thanks, John.. we'll be glad to have you on the winning team!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:01 PM
Response to Original message
38. I've been floored by how both of our candidates have managed to
arrange events and interviews all over the country for the past six weeks or so.

It has to be a logistical nightmare.

Oh and Mercury is retrograde.

:silly: :hide: :silly:


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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:14 PM
Response to Original message
43. i wasn't really listening but i was watching msnbc and i heard the word 'scheduling conflict'
when talking about it...but i wasnt really listening lol.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. The thing that makes me suspicious is that Obama camp
would not say it was a scheduling conflict. Why? I have no idea. However, I know when Kennedy was about to endorse Obama, Obama would never admit it. He said he would not speak for Kennedy. So, it could be that John has decided to endorse Obama. OR it could be a scheduling conflict. Who knows? Pure speculation.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. here is a full statement from MSNBC
From NBC's Mark Hudspeth and Mark Murray
When asked about the AP report that Obama and Edwards meeting is not happening today, the Obama campaign told us to talk to the Edwards camp. However, when pressed, they said it wouldn't be inaccurate to report that the meeting will not happen today or tomorrow.

A source close to Edwards confirms that the meeting has been canceled. But the source doesn’t know the reason behind it; it could be something as simple as a scheduling conflict.


:shrug:


peace~

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. One remarkable thing about the Obama camp - they do not leak
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #46
53. now that sounds like Edwards will endorse Obama on Wednesday
"However, when pressed, they said it wouldn't be inaccurate to report that the meeting will not happen today or tomorrow."

Not today, or Primary day, but maybe the day after?
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #46
65. doesn't sound good.... for Obama
unless they have had their conversation via teleconference.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:24 PM
Response to Original message
47. Strategically speaking, it's better is JRE waits until early March
Obama is already slated to win everything tomorrow. :shrug:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:27 PM
Response to Original message
51. It's possible Edwards decided to endorse Obama without having to meet on it
This can be taken a number of ways. We won't know until they want us to know.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:41 PM
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54. He doesn't have to get snippy
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:01 PM
Response to Original message
66. Clinton camp threatening Edwards??
In a comment on msnbc someone said that she might be threatening him with a scandal and from what it said it looked like some kind of affair? Is there any truth to that? And would he go along with it if there was to protect Elizabeth?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. You seriously heard this on MSNBC? I find that hard to believe, even from the locker room network !
I hope you're wrong but will keep an ear out.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #68
104. No I said i heard it in a comment in a msnbc blog
and don't know if its true...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #104
114. I would not believe a blog - anyone can post to a blog
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #66
87. how low can low get?
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:03 PM
Response to Original message
67. I will not jump to any conclusions or presume to know the intentions of John Edwards.
Nor will I take the whore media's word for anything. Obviously they aren't fans of Edwards, and they aren't as big of fans of Obama as some of you might think.

It might simply be a matter of scheduling. There are primaries tomorrow, ya know?

I would absolutely love to see John Edwards as Attorney General in the Obamadministration. Perhaps John had something else in mind, but in my view, the AG position would be his best opportunity to go after the corporations, as he has said repeatedly that he wants to do. A Hillary administration would not support his efforts in that area, as she is beholden to corporatists herself.

Hopefully, this will all work out for the best. I'm not too worried about it at the moment.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:38 PM
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70. Between a Rock and Hard Place
Unless the Clintons' have something on Edwards that might hurt him or his family, I cannot see him endorsing Hillary Clinton. That would be just too hypocritical. She's everything he's been against.

So if he does endorse her, I believe he has no choice.

I can't see him really endorsing Obama either.

Edwards is in a class by himself. I admire him. I should say that the Edwards are in a class by themselves and I admire them.
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COFoothills Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:45 PM
Response to Original message
71. Obama is going to be very busy tonight...
...writing his victory speech for VA, MD and DC.

Seriously, I wouldn't read anything into this. I thought it was odd timing for this meeting to occur right before two important states and DC vote when that time could be spend campaigning instead of making a house call on his lordship at the manor in NC. Seemed like there would be plenty of time for this later in the week.

Edwards will either endorse Obama or won't endorse at all. Just a gut feeling.
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COFoothills Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:46 PM
Response to Original message
72. WHOOPS...DUPLICATE POST n/t
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 02:47 PM by COFoothills
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:17 PM
Response to Original message
79. it's going to be rescheduled.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #79
92. Your right - link here
Gawd - people sure react around here (myself included!!!!)

Thanks!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/11/obama-edwards-meeting-rescheduled/
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miceelf Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:28 PM
Response to Original message
93. scheduling conflict
According to the Obama campaign, it's nothing more than a scheduling conflict

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/11/655928.aspx
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:39 PM
Response to Original message
95. BINGO!!!
There is a reason I back Edwards and dislike Obama. It's called substance and liberalism!
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #95
98. And IF Edwards does endorse Obama, then what will you do?
Will you continue to bash Obama? Since you call yourself a liberal, you couldn't possibly vote for Hillary.

(and please note, as I said above, that in no way do I assume that there is any "done deal" between Obama & Edwards at present)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #95
118. That's EXACTLY how this Edwards supporter feels too. John sees right through the facade.
:thumbsup: He knows sincerity when he sees it...and he certainly doesn't see it in the Obama man and neither do I.
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Mark Twain Girl Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:21 PM
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105. As an Edwards supporter, I've processed this.
Some of his supporters will be disappointed if he chooses Clinton, some will be disappointed if he chooses Obama. His camp has gone in different directions (with some committted in neither direction), so I suppose it's fitting that he is trying to decide so carefully.

He'll get slammed by the other side no matter what he does, so that won't be unexpected. There will be a lot of disavowals. I will not be among them, even if he endorses my less favorite of the two. I've braced myself for that possible outcome, heh. I also realize I was drawn to Edwards as an independent, and my vote is my own; I can still respect the heck out the man and be thankful for what his fight, yet disagree with his choice.

At first, I felt strongly that I didn't want him to endorse at all. But then I realized, if he is going to get some policy promises, he has to give something in return. If I could have my wish, it would be something to do with health care. I would feel good about that.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:21 PM
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106. i thought it was reported to be happening now...
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 06:00 PM
Response to Original message
111. Am I alone in thinking that Edwards'
"endorsement" for one candidate or the other is meaningless? I don't think either candidate gets a bounce from his endorsement.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #111
117. No. You are not alone. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #111
119. I would tend to disagree
There were about 10 to 15% of te country for Edwards less than a month ago. Some percent of that have made a choice they are now happy with - but here on DU, there seem a fair number who have not committed. I assume that in the real world where people spend less time on this, there may be a larger percent.

Edwards has an email list that he would likely use to both explain his preference and to link to the chosen candidates fund raising. That list likely has more undecided (between Obama and HRC ) people than most lists - so it is a great list to be able to have him send a message on.

As to whether he would get a bounce, I know people who went from Leaning to Obama to very committed to Obama because of Kerry's email. I see no reason to think that in some cases people who respect Edwards might not give a slightly more positive look at the endorsed candidate.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #111
125. Edwards will endorse Hillary before TX and OH.
Bank on it.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 03:19 AM
Response to Reply #111
128. I agree but so what?
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 03:20 AM by BlueStater
Does any endorsement really help a candidate? Kerry and Kennedy's endorsement of Obama didn't seem to sway any minds in Massachusetts.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:13 PM
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115. ...
Most of Edwards campaign chairs have already switched to Obama. His online groups have switched to Obama. His unions have switched to Obama... So, here's a case of someone waiting so long they make themselves irrelevant. I don't get it - Edwards could be Obama's AG and get EVERYTHING done that he has been stumping for under Obama's transparent, lobbyist free administration - and yet he's not lending his support?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:13 PM
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116. Oooooh....that doesn't sound too good for the Obama man!
:bounce:
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