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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:12 PM
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Another lie posted on DU about Hillary. She never said she lost because black vote in NE or ME.
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 03:13 PM by Kerry2008
In another thread, a poster had the headline that Hillary Clinton said she lost the recent voting states because of black vote. Hillary NEVER said that. She said she was unfavored because of the caucus system, and she said in LA she was unfavored because of the high American American vote. Which is true, African Americans break largely for Barack Obama. But she only said this about the black vote in LA, not the other states.

Why distort what she said and say she said she lost Nebraska and Maine because of the black vote?

More lies on DU, I suppose!
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:14 PM
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1. Do you have a link to the post? n/t
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:17 PM
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7. Here you go:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4537912&mesg_id=4537912

As you can tell by the headline and first few lines, the OPer wants you to believe Hillary said she lost Maine and Nebraska and Washington because of the black vote.

She NEVER said that.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:14 PM
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2. Let's not play the semantics games
She blamed the black vote for her loss in Louisiana.

Those are her words. Not mine.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:15 PM
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4. And posed your thread as if she blamed her losses in Nebraska and Maine on that as well.
You lied. You distorted.

You hit her, and ran.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:17 PM
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6. She also blamed the caucuses
But she blamed the black vote for her loss in Louisana.

Her words, not mine. It's not a hit and run if it is true.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:18 PM
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11. You posed your thread as if she said she lost Nebraska and Maine because of the black vote.
Go back to your thread, and read your first line.

You pose it as if she said she lost the other states because of the black vote.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:28 PM
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27. I did no such thing
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 03:35 PM by NJSecularist
I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth.

I didn't alter any quotes. I just posting the facts.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:32 PM
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34. Facts? These are facts, they're lies.
Your headline is: "Hillary deflects her losses over the weekend, saying that she lost because of the large black vote"

That suggests that she said she lost Nebraska, Maine and Washington because of the black vote. She never said that.

And you can say that's not what you meant, but then look at your first line of the thread:
"Maine sure is a black stronghold. Just like Washington. And Nebraska."

You pose the thread as to suggest Hillary Clinton said she lost those states because of the black vote.

She didn't say that. She was talking about LA.

You lied. Not your lying about lies.

Go figures.
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:17 PM
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9. are you for real?
:eyes:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:08 AM
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50. I hope you bothered to read the post.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:21 PM
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14. Get a grip.
You are seeing what you want to see. I just report the facts.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:24 PM
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18. If you report the facts, then you wouldn't of lied about what she said.
You posed your thread as if she said she lost all the states because of the black vote.

She didn't say that. She said that about LA.

It's simple: Don't lie!

Then I won't have to set the record straight because another DUer wants to lie about Hillary and what she's said.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:25 PM
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20. Melicious speculation is more like it.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:53 PM
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42. gee rodeodance -- who are all those secret admirers? nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:01 PM
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45. don't know. but they are lovely and I thank them:-)
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:25 PM
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19. Garbage.
I just went to look at the thread and got no such impression. Caucuses are mentioned in the very first line of the quoted text. As for the poster's remarks, if you can't distinguish an irony, satire or sarcastic remarks from straight commentary then that is your problem.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:29 PM
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30. the Obama crowd sees no problem in "winning at any cost" - afraid you're in for a few flames
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:45 PM
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38. Oh well, I'll take one for the team to set the record straight.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:51 PM
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41. No the person said clearly that their OWN reference to ME and NE was sarcasm
good grief!
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:20 PM
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13. Using the word blamed is probably inaccurate
she said the black vote broke to Obama, didn't it?

Honestly what's the big deal other than trying to stir up a shitstorm where there is nothing.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:15 PM
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3. Finally! The TRUTH! its HUGH!!
:sigh:
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:17 PM
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10. Hugh who?
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:22 PM
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16. um... Hugh Farce?

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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:26 PM
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23. oh, I thought it was Hugh U. Kiddin.
;)
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:15 PM
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5. yes, in NE and ME it's just those pesky activists who supported Obama
and in LA it's the black vote. Excuses, Excuses.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:17 PM
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8. Both states are extremely white n/t
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:19 PM
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12. And? I think some are missing the point of this thread.
There is a thread on the main page here on DU with a poster saying Hillary blamed her losses on the black vote in states like Nebraska, Maine and Washington.

She never said that.

She was talking about LA.

But this poster wants you to believe otherwise in his/her thread.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:23 PM
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17. so what--that's not the issue now is it!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:21 PM
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15. I saw that thread--lots of Obamacrickets agreed and having their joys over anothr DU lie
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:26 PM
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21. If it's not the black vote, then it's caucuses.
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 03:26 PM by sparosnare
There's two reasons for her losses coming from the Hillary campaign. In states with a substantial number of black voters, it's the black vote. In states without who caucused, it's because caucuses are unfair (and her voters are intimidated).
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:28 PM
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28. Spin in a campaign? Noooo, never.
And I'm sure the Obama campaign is NEVER guilty of that.

And caucuses do favor Obama, so it's a fair point to make.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:32 PM
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33. and yet another obamacricket who missed the point of the OP
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:35 PM
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36. I agree with the OP. She didn't use the black vote excuse for Nebraska and Maine.
The excuse for those states is the caucuses. Obamacricket? Is that your new slander word for the day? :rofl:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:26 PM
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22. RECOMMEND
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:26 PM
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24. So you distort someone else's thread to complain about distortion.
Gotcha.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:27 PM
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25. How did I distort it?
That's right, I didn't.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:31 PM
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32. You claimed other OP said Hillary blamed blacks for her losses in NE. Other OP
did no such thing. The only claim that was made was that HRC blamed blacks--which she did, but only in LA. It was perhaps misleading, but it was not a lie. This thread is as much a distortion as the original OP. However, I will not make a thread about it, because I try to obey DU rules.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:33 PM
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35. "Maine sure is a black stronghold. Just like Washington. And Nebraska."
That's the first line of the OP.

Followed by a headline that says Hillary blamed her losses on the black vote.

I didn't distort. I just set the record straight.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:04 AM
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46. poster does not come back after you hit him with facts:-)
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:05 AM
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48. That's usually how it happens, isn't it?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:05 AM
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47. Best read the post before you spout off!!
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:28 PM
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26. I guess the poster just got confused by all her excuses.
It is getting hard to keep them all straight.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:06 AM
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49. Whats confusing here on DU are the posters who outright lie!
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:29 PM
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29. K&R for the purpose of setting the record straight here at DU.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:45 PM
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37. Thank you. And kicked again for spreading the truth n/t
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:30 PM
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31. But I talked to the black vote in Maine!
He told me he voted for Clinton.;)
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:46 PM
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39. WOW. Can you split any more hairs?
She still said that the black vote was why she lost LA. Isn't that enough? How is her not saying it about the other states even relevant?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:49 PM
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40. Because some DUers are posting that she said that about the other states.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:54 PM
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43. OK. But she still said it about one state
And her saying such a thing is what's at issue.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 04:00 PM
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44. "one state" is NOT other states---get it now??
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 12:10 AM
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51. Why don't you talk to the Colbert Report, because he had the same jokes
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