"The states that matter" by Kos

Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 09:17:58 AM PST
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One of the hilarious side-effects of every Obama victory is the spin from Clinton quarters and its surrogates and supporters explaining why said victories "don't matter". Iowa didn't matter because it was a caucus state, and it's undemocratic. Same goes for every other caucus state including Maine. The only caucus state that mattered was Nevada. Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, Alaska, and Utah don't matter because they're small Red states that Democrats won't carry in November. Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, and Louisiana don't matter because they have black people.

Expect the same spin out of DC this Tuesday. Black people don't apparently count. Washington and Minnesota don't matter because they have educated white people. In any case, Washington, Nebraska, and Louisiana didn't matter on Saturday because everyone expected Obama to win them anyway. Virginia and Maryland, assuming they're won by Obama, will be a combination of the "black people" and "educated people" rationalizations. Throw a little of "Obama was expected to win anyway", and you've got the trifecta.

Illinois doesn't matter because that's Obama's home state. Expect the same spin when Obama wins Hawaii by double-digit margins in two weeks. Missouri doesn't matter because Clinton sent out a press release claiming she won it. Colorado was a caucus state, so that leaves Delaware and Connecticut. Those are the only two states that apparently matter, giving Hillary Clinton a commanding 10-2 lead among states that matter.

One final line of attack used to minimize Obama's victories is the notion that "he can't win states without his base", his base of course being African Americans, white yuppies, and Red state Democrats. Yet the corollary of that is what? That Hillary can't win states that

1.) she hasn't lived in recently (New York and Arkansas),
2.) aren't next to states she has lived in (Tennessee, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Oklahoma),
3.) don't share a media market with states she has lived in (New Hampshire), or
4.) are outside the Southwest with its large Latino population (California, which she won with the strength of her SoCal vote, Arizona, Nevada and probably New Mexico).

Pretty silly game, huh?

more...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/11/121758/950/294/454307

Hopefully all the networks start updating the delegate count accordingly.

right?

what the excuse is going to be with Oregon. No large black population, its a primary, its closed. I don't know what to think unless someone lets me know why it won't matter.

:eyes:

n/t

And if so, why did Hillary Clinton compete in Iowa?

:yoiks:

j/k

And only focus on the swing states.

In fact, who is at the top of the ticket matters a LOT, ESPECIALLY in red states that the Democrats don't expect to carry. Hillary Clinton at the top of the ticket in Utah or Idaho or N Dakota or Kansas or Colorado or even Maine, Minnesota and Iowa is POISON, and Democratic politicians and activists know this.

The notion that who the Democratic nominee doesn't matter in the hard core "red states" is a canard

You're too funny P2B.

You're too funny P2B.

:shrug: Please enlighten us. I'm assuming it's any state Clinton wins.

it used to mean people who were so obsessed with the Clintons that it clouded their thinking, now it just means anything coming out of Camp Clinton to explain why she's limping her way to the finish line.

That's why when the candidate pulls the plug at last on the campaign, the worker bees are the last to accept it. They fervently believe every word of propaganda the dying campaign issues, and defend it as truth in the face of overwhelming evidence it isn't. When the candidate drops out, they're left dangling and bitter, often unable to clear their heads and commit to another campaign.

I learned long ago the primary season is a like a war. When someone gets taken out, you can't dwell on it, you have to keep moving forward and dealing with TODAY'S problems.

Hilarious is Kos' ridiculous mistakes and ramblings at 1:00 am.

states that caucus on weekdays don't matter because Hillary voters have to work 9-5 to put food on the table, so they skew Obama.

states that caucus on weekends don't matter because Hillary voters don't have cushy 9-5 jobs like the latte sippers, so they skew Obama.

Unless they're black. :hide:

who said FL didnt matter.

Hello pot, meet kettle.

and I think what the Democratic Party National Leadership has to say about what goes on in the Democratic Party, matters.

When Hillary won FL, the BO worshippers were all over here saying it
did'nt matter

Or did you miss that?

That is why there is an effort to have new caucuses in both states. Or did you miss that too?

I said BO supports said it didnt matter.
To me, that's not hard to understand, I'm sorry it's a challenge for you.

If he had won FL, I'm sure it would matter....

Panhandle states NOT bordering Canada, such as Oklahoma and Florida, DO count.

Sorry. :(

:argh:

We're gonna matter and we got a very nice Panhandle and no Canada.

yeehaw. :)