Obama will do to the Dem party what Bush did to the rethugs

The media has created Obama; told you, for 15 yrs to hate anything Clinton; and declared John Edwards a non-entity, even though he represents the best of the Dem party. And you Obama supporters rush to obey.

You honestly don't know what you think you know about him as a candidate. For me, it's like watching the train wreck that was the IWR. I knew there was no WMD in Iraq. The CIA had declassified a report back in the late 90's, after Bill bombed the shit out of every inspection site that as much as said so. Andrea Mitchell had confided to a friend of mine back in Feb of 2002 that the Bushies would be rolling out an Iraq war in Aug of 2002 -- she was a month off. Assume our reps know this stuff? No, they don't. They spend 2/3 of their time raising cash for the next election and have 25 yr old legislative assistants read 700 page bills and give them a one page summary about them.

Obama is the same sort of media creation that GW Bush was. The media ignored his record in favor of his myth -- the one they created. How else to explain why they called Gore a liar, while ignoring the fact that Bush would say things about his education legislation that were patently untrue, or why he could stand on the stump and say he supported SCHIP as a governor when he had vetoed the bill, and only let it become law without his signature once it was clear the lege had the votes for an override? The media is doing the same thing with Obama. He has a thin record to begin with, but it has all been based on political calculation. That is why all the "present" votes, the skipped votes, the omission that he voted against timetables for withdrawal until he decided to run as the anti-war candidate. Rezko was an important part of the party machine in IL. And he played ball with him all the way, and now pretends he doesn't know the guy. He knows him, I assure you. He knows him very well. He is the equivelent of Bush's Ken Lay.

The point is you Obama supporters are being spoon fed his candidacy by a media that does not tell you the truth. He is not the man you think he is. He is corrupt and politically calculating as any politician I have seen in the Democratic party. And his supporters are in for some serious buyer's remorse if he wins the nod; even more if somehow wins the election, which is doubtful.

And in many ways, I would almost rather see McCain win rather than have Obama bring down our party they way Bush has his. No, I won't vote for McCain -- I have never voted for a rethug in my entire life -- but I cannot vote for Obama.

Thanks for sharing

Do you think the media tells you the truth? Do you not realize they look right in the camera and lie to you? The Andrea Mitchell example is the clearest one I can give you. They knew, back in Feb 2002, that Bush was going to roll out a war against Iraq in the fall. Yet they went on camera every day and pretended they had known nothing about it.

They control you. And you don't even realize it. If they told the truth about Obama, which they may well do AFTER he gets the nomination, there is no way in hell he could win.

You remember that I told you all this when it happens, okay?

Please provide the details. It's only fair since I provided details to you about why I will not support Obama. I know he is corrupt. I watch him lie daily on the campaign trail. Hillary would not be my first choice, but you cannot accuse her of those things.

I will not participate in helping bring down my party with a candidate like Obama. I used to say the same things to people I knew that I respected that supported Bush, purely because their party told them to. I felt they had a greater obligation to their country. And even to their party. 6 yrs later they are all coming to me and saying they had to admit I was right.

I trust my instincts, and the fact that I have an unquenchable policy wonk side. I KNOW Obama's history, and it is so far from what he pretends to be on the campaign trail. Before Bush ever won the nomination in 2000 I told people that if he won he would be the worst president in the history of this country. And I was right. I will go with my gut. It hasn't failed me yet.

one of immediate distrust. He is not what he appears to be. He is laughing at his supporters behind their backs thinking how easy it is to manipulate with his 'sermons.' And he has Big Corporate backing...the MSM wouldn't be pushing Obama if Big Biz didn't want it!

Just because he's half Black doesn't make him a liberal or progressive. He's Repugnant Lite.

Playing the race card again,

you think this is going to win

your candidate an election,

how stupid and ignorant can you get.

Anymore insult from that peanut you call

brain.


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And the poster makes a correct point -- people assume because he is black and a democrat he must be progressive. And he just is not. He carries water for corporations. Watch Edwards endorse Hillary, and it will be for that reason alone.

P.S. you're the only one I see insulting people here.

Blacks vote overwhelming Democratically...over 90%.

I voted for Jesse Jackson in one primary...back in the '80's, I think.

Also, if you play the Unmarried Women Voting Statistics Card, you'll find they vote vote overwhelmingly Democratic.

Put that in those peanuts between your widdle legs.

:rofl:

The irony is negative spinning barely makes a dent in anyone's opinion; and in fact, may create an opposite effect. But on and on and on you go....

Please - share why you prefer Hillary! Far better to share what's right about her than constantly toss bombs with every anti-Obama post. They just bounce off or piss folks off - of course, I'm under no illusion that anything I babble about will shift your M.O. either.

But to even get within a 10 foot pole range of saying something like you may prefer McLame to Obama suggests an overwhelming hostility - to what???

And how will your posts assist us come GE time?

They will never make it that far.

The M$M corporate media is full of half truths - but believe me, they are equal opportunity liars.

You need medicine. Now.

not vote?

I simply cannot do it knowing what I know about him.

He is corrupt.

Rezko is a household name there that everyone realizes is THE symbol of the corrupt dem party. Obama is more deep in bed with him than anyone else in that party. Rezko literally made Obama. He is Obama's Ken Lay.

Digest that if you will......

now what where you saying again?

Or did you not realize that? And did you also not realize that Obama is on the same top ten list? Now what bullshit were you peddling again? I swear, this place has been invaded with rethugs.

why oh why does it just continue. More of this idiotic "I know what he's really like" pap.

we're supposed to assume that Rezko and Obama are tied at the hip because the OP "assures us?" I'll dismiss that line for the exact same things that led me to support Obama in the first place -- reason and critical thinking, not the moon-eyed adoration so often attributed to his supporters.

And besides, how can anyone miss that glaring contradiction -- that the OP condemns the patently false pre-Iraq War intel that led us to go to war simply on Bush's say-so, but then turns around and tells us to believe Obama is utterly corrupt simply on this OP's say-so? It's absurd.

Get over it, she has a lot going against her, and the MSM is the least of her problems.

Please, tell us. Then we can judge for ourselves if the media had anything to do with it.

All those links! All that substantiating evidence! Absolutely no biased opinion whatsoever!

I posted about the conversation my friend had with Andrea Mitchell 7 months before the Bushies rolled out the Iraq War (under another screen name -- that one almost got me in trouble), and no one believed me then either. At one time I had very close connections in the media. You have no idea how they play you, and KNOW they are playing you when they do it. In fact I have heard some of them declare they have more power than voters and more power than the politicians. And sadly it is true.

That's the thing in this country -- the truth can be out there, but you choose not to believe it. You believe what the media tells you instead.

They like Obama, so they're okay for now.

But the moment they criticize Obama -- or say anything good about The B***h -- they're on the s**tlist.

--p!

mmmmmm... smell that pizza cooking?

I mean, the fact that my daughter-in-law was in law school with him and has told me so much about him from then - calling my attention to him before the 2004 speech at the Dem convention - couldn't possibly have any influence on me, now could it?

Please go read someone else's mind.

I can read posts instead. Now one can defend his campaign lies -- they simply excuse them. Because the media tells you to. Your daughter in law knew him before he became part of the corrupt democratic machine in Chicago.

You are simply amazing!

Who gives a shit?

We all know that Bush was the puppet for the NeoCons, so I assume you think Obama is the puppet for some politically motivated & organized group. If so, who is it?

His career was bought and paid for by corporate cronies sucking off the govt -- Rezko being but one example, albeit the largest and most corrupt. Beware of any candidate that has wanted to be president since he was in kindergarten, and has spent his ENTIRE political career carrying water for people like Rezko.

We all know that Bush was the puppet for the NeoCons, so I assume you think Obama is the puppet for some politically motivated & organized group. If so, who is it?

Bush was also a puppet for the war profiteers and oil industry. Again, who is Obama working for?

:hi:

Redstone

Hes not who we think he is you know. :tinfoilhat:

And I know he is not truthful. What else do I need to know? You realize you are voting for a guy who sold his soul to Tony Rezko to get where he is, don't you? Rezko built his career and Obama paid him back accordingly.

My theory is the media is going to wait until the GE to take him down. Then you will all realize you got pwned.

because according to some Clinton supporters, it's only the 'cult' who would refuse to vote for the Dem ticket.


thanks!

Obama is the biggest fake, corrupt, calculating politician this party has seen in my nearly 30 yrs of watching politics. I will be proud to say I did not vote for him when he brings this party down.

Nothing compared to Obama. Remember my name so you can apologize when you find out I'm right, okay?

unfortunately i think you are correct. i remember election 2000, and all the bullshit dubya said...but living here in texas i knew it was bullshit...patients bill of rights that he took credit for passed over his veto. i fear obama is exactly the opposite side of the same coin. i understand the desire for change, but he won't be able to deliver on a lot of it...and then the disenchanted youth vote bails on him the first time he is required to compromise, because he'll no longer be pure. as soon as he looks weak he'll either be forced to deal with the "establishment democrats" or he'll get steamrolled.
then in 2012 here comes the repubs again...with jeb next time or somebody as bad or worse.
i just don't trust anything that looks too good to be true.

He is not what he appears to be at all. I swear, in nearly 30 yrs of watching politics I have never seen a democratic candidate so full of shit. My friends think I am psychic about politics, but it's not that. I have lived and breathed it my entire life. I have worked in it from the outside in my enire adult life. I pay very close attention. And Obama is a creation. He is as far from the real democratic deal as I ever thought we'd see in our party. He makes slick Willy look like a complete hick. Everything he says and does is calculated for affect. Just like George Bush.

It's making me crazy to watch our base be so taken in like this. I have so many friends that claim all politicians are alike, and that dems are really no better than rethugs. And this guy is fixing to prove that to everyone. The media has all kinds of dirt on Obama, and although I don't know for a fact, it would be typical of them to let it all loose after we fall for Obama.

Remember you heard it here first.

hundreds of losses in Congress

as opposed to the OP? Yes.. Nice post.. this guy is on Crack (ha, and they accused Obama of that)

They're like twins really. Next spoonful please!

They both believe in corruption and cronyism.

Do you really not realize that Tony Rezko is the cash cow for candidates in Chicago? Do you not realize that Obama sold his soul to that guy, and helped him get millions in govt money in exchange for campaign cash? You are very naive.

You can say a lot about the Clinton's but you cannot say they have been bought and sold like he has. Not even close.

The Clintons are paragons of truth and light. :eyes:

I can tell you what Obama has lied about on a daily basis, and I have posted such. I notice you spend a lot of time excusing Obama for those lies and making non-specific charges against Clintons that you never back up with any specifics.

getting Obama the gig at the '04 Convention??

And I agree with you...he is bought and paid for...he has been 'groomed' by the Moneyed Elite. He fools a lot of Dems by simply being half Black...therefore, he is assumed to progressive.

He's Repugnant Lite.

I, too, have NEVER thought about not voting for our candidate, but Obama. Damn, I will have to hold my nose so tightly if it comes to it. I hope not.

HRC has no dirt in her closet...that all came out years ago. Just wait until this Rezko trial starts and Patrick Fitzgerald is prosecuting.

I guess I've just drunk the cool-aid is all.

Obama is a grassroots sensation. If it was just about the media, then why did 18,000 people show up to see him in Virginia Beach (a red city) yesterday?

...into one. Do you really think he is? If so, tell me why? What accomplishments does he have that would rise to that level of media spin? None is your answer. He's not a grassroots sensation, he is a media sensation.

a shift in white male voters who responded to Newt ability to nationalize the election. The evangilical movement was growing. While yes President Clinton was unpopular at the time, redistricting due the the 1990 census shifted the balance to Repubs.

Because he was unable to control his gonads, and had not the proper frame of mind to realize "hmmm maybe it's inappropriate for me, as President of the United States, and the BOSS of bosses, to have a relationship with a subordinate female employee half my age," he put Democrats in the position of defending his shitty behavior. This, in the midst of a culture where the Religious Right was still a very powerful force, and a constant theme in editorials everywhere except the blue coasts was how "immoral" liberalism and Democrats were. The voters got daily proof of it with Bill's selfish, male-chauvinistic behavior. He allowed the party to become a sick joke, and for the Republicans to position themselves as the up-and-coming party of the future, in comparison with the party that (in their narrative) represented the worst of the 60s and 70s.

And Hillary put up with it. I used to like Hillary, back in the 90s. I lost all respect for her when she didn't divorce Bill after his horrendous treatment of women and his utter disrespect to her. But it's clear now that she only stayed there because she wanted to use her marriage as a launchpad. Then, of course, I learned about the Clintons' corruption, and thanked the stars that I was already disillusioned about them.

Whatever Barack Obama may "do to the party," I'd honestly prefer an unknown variable than a known one, considering what the known one is.

Bill was set up...AIPAC set her up in the white house and her job was to 'swallow.' Get it?

And now you hold this against HRC? Something she wasn't even involved in. Has your spouse cheated on you? Do you think you should be denied a job because you didn't divorce him/her?

You have a very small view of the world and not much in the way of critical thinking skills. Are you a Reagan Dem or were you too young to vote for him?

You are just the type of person who Obama is laughing at...so easily manipulated by the sermons and the 'yes we can' meaninglessness.

Go read up on Rezko.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? That has to be the funniest/saddest thing I've read on DU in a while.

Gee, I wasn't aware AIPAC FORCED Bill Clinton to get an adulterous blow job against his will! God, you people will blame everything on THA JOOOOOOZ! Even BILL CLINTON'S AFFAIR is a Zionist Conspiracy!


You officially have NO business criticizing ANYONE's critical thinking skills after a moonbat post like that.
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Neocons in office and US Military heavily invested in the Middle East, just as AIPAC wanted. Ever looked at the members of PNAC? What do the members of PNAC care about?

There is no lobby more powerful in DC than AIPAC...and that's Israel.

And if I wanted to put Bill in a bad situation, just what would one have to do? Hit him where he's weakest...and gee, where would that be?

You are STOOOOOOOOOOOOOPID not to see what happened.

Think.

You know, I'm not going to debate Israel or AIPAC right here.

The reason being? It's irrelevant to the topic.

You put up one word from a reputable source backing up that Monica Lewinsky was planted in the White House by AIPAC, to get Bill, and I'll concede the point. Reputable, mind -- no David Ickes, no thinly veiled Neo Nazi publications, no "world communism" type rags.

The Clintons' support of AIPAC long predated the Lewinsky scandal. There would be no REASON for AIPAC to "get Bill" in the first place.

Disgusting.

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Why am I not surprised?

As for 2000... Women VOTED FOR GORE. Unmarried women VOTED FOR GORE. The core Democratic constituencies (minus the Nader voters) voted for Gore, but Bush squeaked by because of MEN and "family values" married voters.

Look up some real history instead of concocting a crazy conspiracy theory about Monica Lewinsky.

better yet google swallow....or better yet go read the book I sited 'Economic Hitman.'

Monica swallowed. Mousad uses swallows. And so does the CIA.

I'm not a teacher...nor do I swallow.

That was problem. Don't need to google nor gurgle that.

Your definition of critical thinking seems to be as follows.

1. Powerful person, let's call him B, is weakened by a scandal.
2. Powerful lobby called J rejoices at the scandal. (I've yet to see any proof that "the Zionist world order" rejoiced at Clinton's affair, but let's just take it for now.)
3. Therefore, powerful lobby J must have precipitated the scandal.

I've googled your crap. All I found were a collection of conspiracy theory links with no corroborating evidence, spewing both sexist and anti-Semitic bile blaming "the Jews" and "loose women who sold themselves" for what Bill Clinton did. That's your theory? Wow.

Israeli hawks, and Big Oil.

These entities tried everything they could to bring Bill down...Whitewater...remember that? How many millions were spent investigating that? The Clintons spoke of the 'right wing conspiracy.' Who knew that it really existed?

Bill's need for affairs was the easiest way to 'get him.' Someone had to be placed in the WH. And why did she keep that dress with 'the stain?'

Listen, you believe what you want. I really don't care.

I know I can't prove anything to you. So let's just go our separate ways....good luck.

It's slipping away for you.

It's the same feeling I had when I watched our media sell George Bush, then the Iraq War. People in this day and age relish being clueless for some reason. They are content to do what the media says. And the media says hate Hillary, vote for Obama -- a guy with slim to no experience to qualify for the job, and is as corrupt and full of shit as Bush was when he ran.

and saw what I see with Obama...bush and nixon. I warned people about both of them and nobody listened. They won't listen about Obama either. If the Democratic party goes down this road they deserve to lose.

So you'd rather have four more years of the same old, same old, just because of Obama? You can't see yourself voting to save the future just because your candidate didn't make it/might not make it?? That's very shortsighted, for if Hillary still manages to win the nomination, she'd still be a thousand times better than what we've had for the past eight years.

for me, at least. I know HC's flaws. I don't know BO's.

My primary is April.

More debates, more discussion, more research, please.

to tear into him.

The reaction from most Obamites replying to it once again shows why so many see cultish tendencies among many of Obama's activist supporters.

you to keep this as I tell you all, Remember: We had this race won until Obama decided to save us.

conceited arrogant no talent phony that doesn't have enough experience to be a governor, let alone president.

The thought of it brings me to hilarity knowing we will have been screwed again. I confidently believe Ohio and Texas will pump out some of the sludge and backwater.

I wouldn't vote for him if he made me ambassador to Amsterdam. And I do love Amsterdam, particularly the red light district.

He's had to play it both ways, but these missteps are really telling, and really disturbing. There's absolutely no excuse for the "Donnie" incident (to say nothing of Gavin Newsom).

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Yeah we get it, you wont' vote for him...who the fuck cares. screaming it again and again won't make anymore people care. And for every 1 person who won't vote for Obama there are 20 who won't vote for Hillary. Hey, I have an idea, instead of starting anti-obama threads, why don't you post ONE pro-hillary thread? can ya do that? or are you too filled with cult hatred for that? I think the latter.

Not with a fox?
Not in a house?
Not with a mouse?

So, he'll leave the Dem party just like Clinton left the Dem party after his presidency.

Voting to allow full immunity for the telecoms who helped Chimp and Cheney invade our privacy is a prime example of how complicit some DLC'ers can be.

Can anyone tell me how this person is any less deserving than the Lee Greenwood fan?

I don't CARE who you vote for, although you seem to think everyone does, and post about it every day. Your lies about Obama are making me ill. Get over yourself - I could post a hundred threads about why I won't vote for Hillary, but I haven't posted one. It accomplishes NOTHING.

You re-word this post and post it at least once a day. I got it the first time.