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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:07 PM
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Obama's Economic advisers
The Economic Populist has a new post overviewing many quotes, articles, policy positions from Obama and his economic advisers.

also linked is a economic adviser debate that turned up some actual useful details on what exactly is Obama's economic policy or the views of his advisers..

This info is hard to find.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:09 PM
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:12 PM
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3. But, but, but he didn't formally sign up for Al From's t-ball league
:rofl:

Thanks for the information but it will go in one ear and out the other with most Obamites.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:12 PM
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:12 PM
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5. He needs to fire those advisors.
Why? Because I said so.

And because they're so very, very wrong about health care. And other issues facing this nation. We've suffered enough because of neo-liberal economics. What will it take to convince them that neo-liberalism = third-worldization?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:07 AM
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12. You're looking at the real Obama, folks
Take off the blinders, he's GOP, bought and paid for

Austan Goolsbee: U. of Chicago neoclassicist and “single payer universal health care critic claiming "it doesn't follow free market principles"
David Cutler: Harvard economist who believes that high health costs are good for the economy
Jeffrey Liebman: another Harvard economist and former Clinton adviser who favors privatizing social security
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:59 AM
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20. yup
you got it
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:16 PM
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6. Mods. Please delete my duplicate posts!! Leave just the last one. Sorry.
My computer was acting really goofy while I was composing and tweaking that. I'm not sure what happened.

:blush: :blush:

(I hope this post doesn't act weird.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:31 PM
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7. Think I got the computer fixed. For now.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:34 PM
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8. your duplicate posts
To me you just look enthusiastic.

Please note, Obama is the one who picks the advisers, he clearly is going along with the status quo
here so your desire to fire someone implies he must fire himself.

What I think you really mean is for him to generate some economic and trade policy that is actually going to do something.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:58 AM
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19. It might not be your, or your computer's fault
DemocraticUnderground has been choking lately. There are lots of duplicate posts to prove it.
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 05:47 PM
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9. Robert, you are the owner/editor of the Economic Populist?
I notice Paul Krugman is featured on your front page. But also Reich, later.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:01 AM
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10. Yup
Although it's a community blog.

The idea is to consider all ideas and actually analyze them, including those corporate views to even some of the wild cat "flat tax" ideas. I watched last night one of those "conspiracy" videos talking about how there is no law that says we must pay income tax and we know Huckabee's abolish the IRS...
well, digging around into the IRS and it's various abuses, realizing that our tax goes to pay down debt versus real services
and just how hot these people are about the Federal Reserve itself, I suddenly could see where they were coming from.

Hopefully people with the ability to analyze will post on the site and we might have a prayer's chance of getting real policy in our interests, the national interest.

all of this said, we're and the people who hopefully will post are all centered in on US economic interests, middle class, us....
and I'm too cynical to buy into some crap about how globalization will lift up all boats. not to worry.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:28 AM
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14. Please tell us some more
Its my understanding that someone from AEI helped write Obama's health care plan. Is that true?
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:27 AM
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24. Ugh!
If they did someone needs to bring that one out!

I haven't looked at it but the analysis that Hillary's is way better.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:04 AM
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11. I think if his campaign is anything to go by business will thrive under Barack..
..Their campaigns reflect how their economic policy will go.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:20 AM
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13. and we won't have health care reform
Business is thriving now, but that's not so good for the rest of the country.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:35 AM
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15. Obama supporters, how do you feel about this information?
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:47 AM
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16. From reading it scantly, it doesn't make me form a good or bad opinion, as
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 05:49 AM by Levgreee
articles with a low level of detail, with an obvious slant/bias, rarely give a clear picture of the facts, and reasons for concern.

I will think of one of many possible mitigating circumstances.

They only give a single quote, very vague overview of his advisor's views, not put into any context. Those sentences may be misleading, either actually when it comes to his advisor's views, or on some important details of their views. Economics is complex, you can miss a lot when things aren't put in any context.

Furthermore, Obama and his advisors may even DISAGREE on some things, while agreeing on others. The reason he has multiple advisors, may be for different points of views on the same subject.

Once I watch the video debate, perhaps I'll be able to decide if there is reason for concern, or not, but the one-liners there were definitely insufficient.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:50 AM
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17. All you have to do is look at his health care plan
to know where he stands. He's let is advisors propose a plan that definitely reflects the free market bias. His plan is long on generalities scant on specifics.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:55 AM
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18. Google the names and the allegations
Read what they think in their own words.

Who candidates choose as their advisors says a lot about their true world view. Remember Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Bolton, Feith, and friends?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:26 AM
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22. Cutler supports Newt Gingrich's ideas
that paying more money to hospitals that perform well will get health care for everyone. How does that happen? Silly. Doctors shouldn't be given bonuses to do what they took an oath to do in medical school - treat patients well.

He also supports the idea of giving tax credits and federal funds to private insurers, but doesn't support a government option for consumers. I guess that's what happens when you're still wet behind the ears and spend all your time hanging out with private insurance execs.


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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 01:54 PM
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26. Yup
BUT HE GIVES GOOD SPEECHES AND IS SOOOO KEWL!!!! Who cares what he will do if elected? As one Obamite says: BELIEF leads to HOPE, HOPE leads to CHANGE, if we just BELIEVE enough there is no way we can lose!
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:29 AM
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25. Google is, that's right
When I saw this title I thought you were referring to Google writing his technology plan, which I believe has some merit to it.

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rjx Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 06:09 AM
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21. Listened to KGO tonight? nt
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:09 AM
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23. kick
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