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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:00 PM
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Barack Obama swept every Washington county
By Bob Young

Seattle Times staff reporter

It turns out Barack Obama did win every county in Washington state's Democratic caucuses on Saturday.

The state Democratic Party had initially reported that Hillary Rodham Clinton won just a single county, Douglas County, in Eastern Washington by a 53-32 count of delegates.

But now party leaders say someone misreported the results. The correct tally in Douglas County, according to state party Executive Director Jaxon Ravens, is 65 delegates for Obama and 37 for Clinton, completing the Obama's sweep of all 39 Washington counties.

"We had a lot of results coming in Saturday night and the person who took down the (Douglas County) results just transposed the numbers. We apologize that the information was misreported on the night of the caucus but we've corrected the error and it's not going to affect the allocation of delegates," Ravens said.

Democrats selected 33,904 delegates statewide through the caucus, Ravens said, and the Douglas County gaffe involved about one-third of one percent of all Washington state delegates to the legislative caucuses and county conventions.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004177136_webcount11m.html
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:03 PM
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1. My cousin caucused in Seattle
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 07:04 PM by Cant trust em
She said that it was overwhelmingly Obama. I'm going to see her this weekend so I'll pump her for details.

in 2016 I'm thinking about moving to Iowa for primary season. I want someone to suck up to me for a change.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:05 PM
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2. Washington has more people than Mass
I'd call that a BIG BLUE STATE, and he won it big. She's won 2 big states, one being NY. He's won 2 big states, one being IL. He also won another big state, Georgia. And then Hillary won Mass. So they're actually even on these big states, that argument that Barack can't win Democratic states is dead.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:10 PM
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4. that may be, but she did win the biggest state
much to my dismay she did take California. I'm just happy that Obama won San Francisco where I phone-banked and canvassed in the rain.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:14 PM
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7. They keep saying he can't win blue states
And dismiss Washington State. That's my point. Not only did he win every county, it is a bigger state than Massachusetts, it is a big blue state that they say he hasn't won. He has, he's won 2. She's won CA, NY and MA. He's won GA, which Bill Clinton won in the 90's. He's doing as well as she is with the Democratic base.

If there hadn't been so many absentees in CA, he'd have done a lot better there too.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:20 PM
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10. The big blue states will always be blue
Despite the many attempts by the Republicans to make California's representation in the electoral college proportional, California will be blue no matter who we nominate. I think that the better prObama argument is that he is beating her in states that are traditionally red. It seems like there is still a lot of anti-Clinton sentiment in those areas that Obama doesn't have to worry about. Could this still be backlash from Lewinskygate?

I reckon it is.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:33 PM
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14. He can make both arguments now
He's got Washington which is equal to Mass. He's got Maine, CT, DE. He's going to have MD tomorrow. If the media would stop dismissing Washington, their argument that she's winning all the blue states would disappear. It's not true. Iowa has gone blue at least as often as NH. He's doing fine in the blue states. And don't forget she's won some red states too, AZ, TN and KS come to mind. She's not dismissing them. Or maybe the Obama campaign should ask if she'd like them to know she thinks red states don't count. It's a phony argument and got completely bogus the second he won every county in WA.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:36 PM
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16. Winning every county is huge
What is your sense about how Oregon is shaping up?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:43 PM
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17. Obama
Oregon is very anti-war and has been from the beginning. The only reason it was close in 2000 was because we lost 4% of the vote to Nader. If Edwards endorses Hillary, I suppose it could shift back to her. But it's hard for me to believe people who are so tuned in to the damage caused by corporate power would vote for her. Still, people are very easily moved and there is a lot of trash against Obama coming from the left. We don't vote until May, so there will also be a movement to rally around the winner, if there looks to be one. We'll see.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:51 PM
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19. I'm all about Portland
there are some great restaurants and I love that huge independent bookstore. Bring this one home for Obama!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:53 PM
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20. So far in the Pacific Northwest (between Washington and Idaho)
Hillary has won one (1!) county: Lewis County, Idaho. Out of 17 voters, 10 went to Hillary. :(

Unfortunately in Jefferson she's won Del Norte, Butte, Glenn, Tehama, Shasta, Lassen, and Modoc counties. But Siskiyou, Humboldt, Trinity, Mendo, and Plumas went for Obama! :D
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:22 PM
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11. Hate to break it to you
but Obama won the bluest counties in the state of California: San Francisco, Alameda, Santa Cruz, and so forth. The only serious "blue" counties he missed are San Mateo, Santa Clara, and LA.

Hillary, meanwhile, won Modoc, Orange, and Kern. BFD. :P
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:30 PM
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12. Those are pretty big counties
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 07:33 PM by Cant trust em
wikipedia estimates that LA county has 9 million residents. Santa Clara 1.6. San Diego, thought not a blue county, still has 3 million residents. You can't discount that.


I'm for Obama, but I don't believe that we should blow off Clinton winning California. That just means that we have to work harder here in the General.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:45 PM
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18. Her strongholds in California were the Valley and Southern California
You're right, we can't discount it.

But she won LA county 55 to 41, Santa Clara 55 to 39, San Mateo 51 to 43, and San Diego 50 to 43.

None of those wins are crippling insults to Obama.

She got more than 59% of the vote in Imperial, Riverside, San Bernardino, Tulare, Kings, Fresno, San Benito, Merced, and Stanislaus...

Of those counties, Imperial and San Benito are the only counties we typically win.

Her power base is clearly the San Joaquin Valley and inland Southern California, both traditionally conservative areas. :shrug:
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:53 PM
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21. Check out my post #10
those are my thoughts on winning traditionally rural red areas.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:09 PM
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22. My point is that she's attacking Obama by saying that he's only winning "red" areas
which is not only not true in that Obama's winning some very blue areas (Seattle? San Francisco? Boston?), but she's got some "red" strongholds herself. :shrug:
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:18 PM
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23. I agree with you, that argument doesn't hold up.
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 08:20 PM by Cant trust em
Let's even assume that she was correct for the sake of argument. I'd still think that Obama is in a better place than she is for the general. From this point on there is more for Obama to gain based on our previous patterns that we've seen since Super Tuesday. I like where Obama stands.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:23 PM
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25. I'm looking at the other states that she won now
She got all the counties but one in Oklahoma, but that one county was the county Oklahoma City is in.

She also missed Memphis, Nashville, and Chattanooga in Tennessee. She won Vegas but missed Reno. She got both Phoenix and Tucson. In New Jersey, she missed Newark. Finally, she missed Boston in Mass and Concord in New Hampshire.

Interesting for both her *and* Obama that their performance in urban areas is spotty. :shrug:
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:06 PM
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26. A lot of it probably came down to the campaigns organization
I can say that in the San Francisco HQ it was always packed with people. I had to do phone banking from the floor on my cell phone.

BTW, Snape with a pancake?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:39 PM
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27. I hate to say it, but I will:
I think the more informed, educated voters are going heavily for Obama. :)
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:43 PM
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28. My elitism is being worn right on my sleeve right now
I've suspected for a while that Clinton is getting a lot of her support in the middle/lower income brackets based on name recognition. People fondly remember the 90's when HER HUSBAND was the president. This might also explain why she is doing well amongst latinos.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:05 PM
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3. Yeah, I saw that originally
and wondered why Douglas County was so out of step with the rest of the state. It's in the middle of nowhere, but there are even more desolate places in eastern WA that that!


Glad to see that the whole state was not as bought and paid for as Sen. Maria Cantwell was by Hillary.

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:12 PM
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5. Wow!
:woohoo:
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:12 PM
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6. Whoa that is huge. Sign of the times. cool.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:15 PM
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8. K & R
:thumbsup:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:15 PM
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9. K&R
I've spent the last few days wondering what the hell happened out there.... :P
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:33 PM
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13. That's impressive.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 07:36 PM
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15. goes to show you he can't win places that don't
ummm...don't uhhh...where there's no...errrr, well...

i'll have Mark Penn get back to you on that. :eyes:
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 08:22 PM
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24. self delete
Edited on Mon Feb-11-08 08:56 PM by Andy823
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:44 PM
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29. Wow, Hillary didn't even win every county in ny
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