Hillary has proved she is unqualified to be president.

People say that campaigns show how candidates will run their office (in this case the presidency). Hillary has been a miserable failure as a candidate. There have been so many mistakes and miscalculations that I dread the idea that Hillary would be responsible for this country.

Hillary underestimated her competition.
Hillary had the wrong plan for the election.
Hillary had no plan B.
Hillary had a "Mission Accomplished" moment after the Florida primary.
Hillary didn't budget properly for her campaign.
Hillary ran out of money.
Hillary printed her own money for the campaign.
Hillary's staff was too afraid to tell her about the problems in her campaign.
Hillary's staff lied about the status of the campaign.
Hillary is running the same old failed DLC strategy of running in a few states while ignorning others.
Hillary is now running the Giuliani strategy.

For these reasons and many more, Hillary's campaign has been an unmitigated failure. Hillary has proven that she's unqualified and incapable of running a campaign. That's reason enough to believe that she's unqualified and incapable of running the country. The point of this election is to end the incompetence of the last 7 years. Hillary would be more of the same.

and it's Hillary's fault for underestimating him? That's stupid.

And the rest of your complaints are stupid too. Can't you just be happy that your guy is doing well?

He planned. He maintained his budget. He knew how to deal with adversity. The media says that communication lines are strong in his campaign. I'm happy that Obama is doing well. This isn't about bashing anyone. There's a lot of people that don't realize how screwed up Hillary's campaign is.

Barely any substance, and said you and/or your post were either "stupid" or "idiotic." Am I close?

He's OK with me. I've never seen him/her get nasty with anyone. He's not nearly the worst.

with virtually no other substance. I guess I was right?

are you psychic?

There are people that ignore anyone that disagrees with them. I ran into the same thing with you a couple days ago. Oh well. I know I'm an ignore list all star too. :D

that phenomenon always surprises me, too. Why would anyone go to a political discussion board if they can't stand people disagreeing with them?

...he hasn't had ANY to deal with yet.

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Obama will win.

No class whatsoever.

guttersniping and pooslinging from the Clinton campaign? Oh, I forgot. It's called "microtrending." A costly and divisive strategy firmly grounded in a woe-is-me foundation.

I have no problem with Obama's campaign.

Look around DU's front page.

have assholes supporting them.

To claim one side is more beset than the other is just silly, imo.

but before you go, you're welcome to recognize your buyer's remorse, and join the Obama camp. :hi:

I just received yet ANOTHER cryptic message by carrier pigeon from Stella, that right winger from Texas! ---


"Lesson fer Libruls Number 4:

Dang! Dang an’ dagnabit! All right you lilly liver! Now get this up straight! Bama ain’t got no fight in his belly! It’s me again, Smashmouth. Stella the TEXAN again from big ole TEXAS, moron. FerGIT about ‘Bama winnin’ all them contests. Them’s just WIMPY states! An’ DC ain’t even a state! It don’t matter cuz Texas is Hillry’s firewall. How’s Bama gonna win Texas with the Latino vote an’ all? Bama’s only got one ethnic group, buster. Does a leopard change its spots??? ‘Nuf said! An’ Ohio is gonna be Bama’s DOOMSDAY. Guvner’s fer Hillry, an’ all them ‘lectrical vote machines, vote TABULATORS, all them lil electrons zippin’ around faster an’ a speedin’ lightnin’ bolt! You ever hold an electron in her hand? All them one-arm-bandit Vegas vote machines. Ever see a pinball machine? All them dazzlin’ lights make ya push the wrong lever. Ever catch a moonbeam in yer hand? No way ta check up on all them SUBATOMIC PARTICLES zippin’ around. Perfect fer hackin’ inta. NSA boys uh take care o’ THAT! You KNOW you can’t beat the MACHINE. Why you think VEGAS makes money an’ you DON’T? You’ll never beat the house, buster. Now smores about the MONEY. Hillry raked in seven million bucks! Seven million! Seven, count ‘em seven MILLION! Loanin’ money ta the campaign, not payin’ staffers? FerGIT it! Hillry’s got NEW BLOOD in the campaign with Maggie Williams. An how’s Bamer gonna raise money from all them little Lilliputian DOUGH-nators! Thirty-two million? That money fell off a truck! Ain’t never gonna happen again! So fergit the whole dang thirty-two million thing! He only wins caucus states cuz he’s got them hippie squads o’ grass roots organizers! Ta all you ‘Bamaniks, grassroots organizin’ don’t mean NUTHIN’! Grass? Isn’t that what they call marijuana? Nuf said. Ahm gonna lay it on the line again fer all you dumb libruls and THIS time I’m nailin’ it on the head, buster boy. First things first. Nominate Hillry. SHE’S THE ONE YOU NEED. FOLLOW ORDERS AN’ NOMINATE HER. You’ve HEARD the cry of the people, right on her town hall infomercial! It was NOT scripted. So listen to REAL PEOPLE an’ vote fer the little drummer girl. Cuz the GOP needs someone with a rubber band smile and no ideas ‘cept what she got from ‘Bama to run against so we can take back the REAL hill, CAPITOL Hill, after you LIBRULS stole it. We’re stealin’ it BACK fair an square, donkey face. And MIGHT I ADD she’ll be puttin’ up Carville as the new DNC head. Say goodbye ta the 50 state strategy, cuz you Dermacrits belong confined ta a few coastal states or what I call BANTUSTANS. Nuthin’ like a good quarantine to isolate a Dermacrit outbreak. And never mind about Hillry’s staff in a panic over a string o’ losses! Repeat after me: FIREWALL. I said FIREWALL. F.I.R.E.W.A.L.L. THAT’S what Texas an’ Ohio is and you KNOW you won’t win THERE. Ahm just lookin’ forward ta yooz cryin’ yer lil eyeballs out when you hit that Texas an’ Ohio backstop. Bill a be campaignin’ in Texas ta bring home the bacon fer Hillry. Trust Bill. He’s Superdog. An’ stop worryin’ about Hillry firin’ her campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, long-time leader of Hillaryland, the Ceasar-ess of Friends Of Hillary! You jus’ shutcher face and don’t think about it. Patti wasn’t fired. She was EXCESSED from the office! Got nuthin’ ta do with her bein’ MEXICAN so stop playin’ the race card. Things are FINE in Hillaryland! Just FINE! Don’t get me wrong. I LOVE you libruls! I love you ta pieces! I am so lookin’ forward ta Hillry gettin’ the nomination! Just like Ann Coulter’s votin’ fer Hillry! Now you march ta the votin’ booth RIGHT this minute an’ do what Stella says, Vote fer WONDER WOMAN. She can’t lose. Pay no attention to Whitewater, Madison Guaranty, Susan McDougal, Rose Law Firm, Filegate, Robert Fiske, Kenneth Starr, the cattle futures scandal, photos of Hillry smoochin’ it up with Yasser Arafat’s wife, uranium deal in Kazakhstan, Pardongate, sellin’ the Lincoln bedroom, Clinton’s third term, travelgate, Vincent Foster’s suicide, Bill gettin’ impeached, skirt chasin’ all OVER the White House, Monica’s dress, Monicagate 24/7/365 and all the rest of it! But ahm openin’ up a can o’ LOSER JUICE 5000 all over Bama cuz we got NUTHIN’ on Hillry! You ferGIT about all that cuz Hillry’s a SYMBOL! That’s all you need ta know. Besides. After that internet contest ta pick her CAMPAIGN SONG you just KNOW she’s WITH IT on the internets! Trust Hillry ta protect net freedom! DLC? That stands for DO LOVE CLINTON! Ever hear the expression “Don’t fire till you see the whites of her eyes” --- I mean the whites of THEIR eyes, papaya mouth? Well fergit it. We Republicans would NEVER go dirty on Hillry! What, you think we’re just waitin’ till she gets the nomination? We LOVE Hillry! We can’t WAIT fer her ta get the Dem nomination! We just love her ta pieces! THAT’S why Rupert Murdoch loves her so much! All his hostin’ her and donatin’, an’ all? You think he’s got somethin’ up his sleave? Course not! He just loves her out o’ the goodness of his blushing little heart! I say the goodness of his blushing little heart!! Ya hear me? The goodness of his blushing little heart!! Pay no attention ta all them LEFTISTS tellin’ yuz that Hillry’s road kill in the fall. If we had dirt on Hillry, how come we didn’t FIND any? Now I been hearin’ yuz callin’ Hillry “Cruella deHill.” Now you shutcher trap! Hillry’s the nicest candidate there ever wuz! Race card? Fergit it! Trust a Texan! She never pulled no race card! Cuz McCain’s a geezer an we need somebody really LOATHESOME on the Dermacrit side to bring out all us Death’s Head Republicans ta the polls ta vote! Bama’s a nobody but we got a dossier on Hillry the size o’ Fort Knox, motor mouth. Ya know why yer a motor mouth? Cuz you won’t shut up, biker breath! But the Repubs? We’re nice, polite an’ quiet! You think we’re gonna be runnin’ anti-Hillry ads day an’ night? NEVER! Mentionin’ Hillry in all our fund raisin’ appeals? Don’t be ridiculous. Hey. We don’t even CARE about money! We’re too NICE ta use that big dossier we got on Hillry! We would never USE it because --- WE LOVE HILLRY. An’ one more thing. About them SUPERDELEGATES. You don’t REALLY think the GROWNUPS is gonna let a bunch o’ commie pinko lefty kiddies start runnin’ off with the party, now do you? Listen ta Ann Coulter. No time ta think! March ta the slaughterhouse RIGHT THIS MINUTE and nominate Hillry! Because: We. Love. Hillry. Kiss kiss kiss kiss kiss. You better love her too. Trust me. Trust Stella the Texan. With Hillry you can’t lose. So vote fer Hillry."

I still haven't figured out what to send back to Stella by carrier pigeon....

:hi:

:D

This should've been a cakewalk for her considering all her advantages, the fact that she failed to capitalize says alot. She was supposed to have the best ground operation and kick Obama's ass. Unfortunately for her, Obama kicked her ass esp in caucuses. For a guy with a self proclaimed "messy desk" he sure knows how to organize.

Some of the points taken to less strident level would have merit - I think it's fair to say HRC did misjudge her potential position after 2/5 for example. However we have an essentially tied campaign that will almost certainly end up the same way, with some very delegate rich Clinton-friendly states to come - and the vagaries of the schedule are neither candidate's credit or blame. This hardly warrants "unmitigated disaster".

Everyone knew what the schedule was. Obama opened offices in the post-2/5 states. Hillary didn't. Obama planned to run past 2/5, Hillary didn't. Hillary knew how to run caucuses, but didn't bother. Obama excelled in them. Hillary chose to fight a few fights and hope she'd win. Obama fought everywhere. Obama had the foresight. Hillary had the short-sight.

That some states likely to be better for one candidate over another are scheduled in streaks. Whether you know that in advance or not, it still changes nothing,


So do you disagree that this "unmitigated failure" will result in a delegate score very close to (in either direction) Obama's presumably successful campaign? Isn't that the point of a nominating campaign - to land delegates? Does it matter how this is done?

I can't think of any serious analyst who sees a clear win for either on the cards so in effect we will have two campaigns that are almost identically successful, and it remains very much an open question who will actually be successful.

The schedule didn't create the Obama monster. Hillary should have put him away before 2/5. She had every advantage possible. She had money, name recognition, Bill, party infrastructure, all the players, all the connections. She had it all and she's screwed it up thus far.

I certainly never considered him an easily beatable candidate. Certainly I thought a few months ago that Hillary would be able to stave him off, and she still may be able to, but I don't think anyone involved in politics, and certainly not anyone in HRC's camp, ever dismissed him that cavalierly. Of course they spoke and still speak confidently of winning - but then again so does Obama and so did even REAL no-hope candidates like Kucinich. It's what candidates do if they have any sense (witness Thompson for the alternative). I wouldn;t take that as an indication anyone in teh HRC camp ever thought this would really be a cakewalk though. long before Obama announced there was a huge amount of interest and support for him as a rising star. The only question was now or later really, and it was obvious he'd be a big time viable candidate. The "inevitability" rap against Clinton was always much exaggerated.

That some states likely to be better for one candidate over another are scheduled in streaks. Whether you know that in advance or not, it still changes nothing,


So do you disagree that this "unmitigated failure" will result in a delegate score very close to (in either direction) Obama's presumably successful campaign? Isn't that the point of a nominating campaign - to land delegates? Does it matter how this is done?

I can't think of any serious analyst who sees a clear win for either on the cards so in effect we will have two campaigns that are almost identically successful, and it remains very much an open question who will actually be successful.

They seem to think that because some states were once pro-Clinton it means that they still are.

Let's not forget the ridiculous Giuliani "Florida strategy." He adopted that strategy believing, as many of you do, that since he was ahead there he could bypass all the other primaries where he wasn't and jump start his fledgling campaign with a win in an obvious "pro-Giuliani" state.

What he failed to contend with was the fact that by extricating himself from the other state primaries he was also eliminating his name from the discourse which followed. The other candidates just simply passed him by.

Hillary looks weaker and weaker with every primary/caucus defeat.

This race isn't tied, Obama is winning. He's winning these races by huge sums. Let's not forget that only a few days ago, Maine was considered a possible win for Hillary --- at best a tight race for Obama --- yet he won by 19%. Washington too, he won that by 30+%.

Obama is winning among hispanics in Virginia and Maryland, so I don't think that Texas' large Hispanic population is even a guarantee of a Hillary victory. I also think that she will lose both Ohio and Pennsylvania, two states her supporters strangely think she has in the bag.

Then there is this ridiculous notion that Hillary will maintain her "super-delegate" lead, even if she should continue to lose all of these primaries. These "super-delegates" can abandon her anytime they want, and my guess is that she is only one or two losses away from seeing serious defections. Also, more than half of these "super-delegates" are uncommitted and will likely support who ever is ahead in pledged delegates, states won, and the national popular vote --- which will be Obama.

Once that happens, it may very well become a stampede.

My prediction is that Hillary drops out of this race on March 6 after losing Vermont, Rhodes Island and Ohio. Right now it's all about psychology. She has believed for more than a year that she would be the Democratic nominee. By her own admission, when interviewed by Katie Couric, she said that she never even considered the possibility of losing. I think the prospect that she is losing is only being realized now. She needs to let it sink in and become used to the idea. Once her anger and denial passes for acceptance, she will concede defeat and allow Obama to continue on and face John McCain.

Obamababies are crying when they're winning - sad.

of course.

the fact that you run a good campaign doesn't mean you'll be a good President.

There's no question about that.

The argument that making a bad choice is better than not choosing.
You hear Bush defenders all the time, 'Sure the President may have screwed the whole middle east up, but he tried! He did something."

Though I reject the idea that Obama's 'present' votes as a State legislature are something embarrassing I do think that there are times being undecided about something is a better course of action than making a bad call. And I'd say the choice to send men and women off to die was one of those times.

but ambivalence and doubt is exactly what we don't need on our third winless victory in a needlessly close election.

Hillary has shown her true personal strengths and matched all comers well beyond the advantages and previous easy campaigns. She has gained more thoughtful and solid support and nearly kickstarted women's final progress to the WH. She has professionally championed the cause of presenting doggedly detailed policies on behalf of the voters, matching that very very well against charisma and a more vague inspirational approach. She did not evaporate even with her negatives and perhaps shallow base of frontrunner support. She does not automatically scare away Dem voters.

I think it is more mixed or she plainly would have lost by now, establishment backing or not. The fundamental cruelty is still asserted. She had to do what she could not risk trying- rally the party and overwhelm or move past her negatives. She chose caution, and the less detailed candidate threw himself into the vacuum. I think it is tragic, impossible(except she could have and still can win the nomination) that all of her advantages are necessarily very fixed disadvantages, as difficult to move off from as her bond to Bill. She had every right and justification to run and proves it daily. The strait jacket surrounding her candidacy has never come off though and in this long, constant testing it is clear it never will. If she could step back and look at that she would realize by the numbers she should settle for the magnificent earned pluses she has and step back. That too is impossible and I would expect no passionate, quality candidate to be able to contemplate that much until more soundly defeated.

Most of that list are the simple earmarks of a failing, faltering desperate campaign. Not mistakes, but inevitable, typical counterpunches by an erstwhile(and in some sense still)frontrunner against a contrary destiny. Most of those revealing, controversial things she had to do, and that is something she should step back and take note of because even with a presidential victory that forced defensive, vulnerable pattern would very likely plague her throughout her term. It is becoming not worth the fight, yet by the numbers how can she at the moment do otherwise?

Hillary had unlimited access to someone who already won two presidential elections, yet she still blew a 30-40 point lead.

Hillary used almost 6 million dollars of your campaign contributions to pay a scumbag like Mark "Blackwater" Penn to give her shitty advice.

on either side of the fence. That is a fact :smoke:

right to open government accountable to the people.

They have proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

And deep inside you KNOW that is true. You just don't care. That inner fascist is a dominant trait for some Dems, I guess.

Anyone I've talked to who was old enough to vote in 2004 is thankful that in 2008 we will have a candidate who will fight back. That's one less thing we'll have to worry about, anyhow.

And almost every Obama supporter I've ever spoken to in real life admits Hillary is the most competent of the two, despite their support for Obama.

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

THAT is what you really want. Because you just don't care about integrity of a lawmaker - you want whoever appeals to the worst aspects of humanity and will act on those instincts in their effort to destroy open government.

Otherwise you wouldn't be pushing your anti-Clinton propaganda down everyone's throats in such a feeble campaign to stifle other people's thoughts about what's right or wrong. You are the one who is continually trying to get everyone to walk in lockstep with what you think is fitting for them, not what they might think is fitting.

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....other than to mislead, belittle, slander, slam, and crucify the Clintons and anyone who dares support them?

You certainly have an agenda on DU, but it's not a supportive one by any means. It's as destructive as it gets.

Then I think she will be ultra competent

and certainly more qualified and competent than Bush.

That one I can buy and is a real reason to worry about her in the Presidency.

This is one of the most ridiculous threads I've seen here.

The coronation is in the shitter now and it was apparent pretty early on that Obama was for real. It was hilarious watching her try to shift from "35 years of experience" to "I'm the real candidate of change". She won't be tied after today and next week will make it worse. And once Obama gets to campaign in Texas and Ohio, I guarantee you'll see a big swing there as well.

On second thought, maybe I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe she DID listen to her staff. And maybe they are totally inept. Either way, she's screwed and so are we if she wins.

Everyone else has dropped out. How you can spin that as a "miserable failure" says a lot more about you than Hillary.

and getting her ass kicked in every race now perhaps?

Overall the Giants played a better game, had a lead, and time was running out.

n/t

She has experience as a skilled in-fighter, and full support of the Democratic party.
And from Day one, she was the candidate to beat.

In all fairness, it was her race to lose, and I think that the only person to blame for that, is her.

The Big Dawg is still popular, and she still garners a lot of support from the rank-and-file...

but here's the thing: She has run the campaign as if she cannot lose. And to be honest, she has never had to take on a serious contender.
In 2000, Giuliani bowed out quite early, leaving a broken GOP who had to pull a virtually unknown candidate out of their butts (Rick Lazio). Quite frankly, her election was a cakewalk, due to name recognition.
in 2006, who was her opponent again?

I would vote for her, if she were telling me what needs to be said. The irony is: the overall themes of Bill's candidacy ("It's the economy, stupid") would be an effective strategy today, if she bothered to use it. The fact that she has made issues out of things that are not in her forte seems to me as an effective way to lose.

Healthcare reminds people of her healthcare initiative of the 90's, (so-called 'hillary-care'). This is not a winning thing for her.

Iraq? Well, we know her voting record.

The working poor? I don't know that her work for the Rose Law Firm, or for that matter, Walmart, or the money she has received from corporations really play to the working poor.

If she talked about the economy, and how to fix it, she could regain new vitality in her campaign. The problem is that she seems averse to changes, and averse to admitting mistakes. This is not what we need in a leader.

:eyes:

That's all you've got now?

:rofl:

Hillary hasn't run out of money, nor is it improper to use your own funds to run a campaign, and I don't think that the Rudy-Hillary comparison is apt. Hillary's current position isn't very similar to Giuliani's. By the time March 4 rolls around, the delegate count will still be quite close.

I do agree that the Florida "victory party" was a little silly, and certainly nothing more than a media creation, but that's what political campaigns are all about.

Finally, while Hillary certainly hoped to have this in the bag by Super Tuesday night, if she can adapt to the changing political landscape and wind up the campaign ahead in pledged delegates, it just shows that she has an amazing ability to adapt to change -- something I'd like to see in a president.

I haven't been around too much lately so I've missed much of the vibe from Hillary's supporters here, but it can't be good.

For any that are starting to doubt their choices, you are welcomed with open arms to the Obama campaign.

I'm sorry, but it just wasn't her turn.

:D

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