Hillary Clinton Can't Be Bothered From Campaigning to Vote To Strip Retroactive Immunity.

Today's vote on the Feingold amendment to strip retroactive immunity from the domestic spying and governmental terrorism bill DID NOT INCLUDE A VOTE FROM CLINTON. Where was Clinton when we needed her for this IMPORTANT VOTE to uphold the rule of law and not to place corporations above the rule of law? She was campaigning in Texas.

Why again should we trust Clinton to be tough on the fascism creeping into governmental rule?

J

Her vote would have made no difference. It doesn't matter.

Have you no decency?

Decency would be seen in her giving of herself and sacrificing her campaign time to vote on an amendment that would have cemented in the voters minds that she does care about these things. She did not. I'm sorry she failed you...but you cannot explain away her inability to muster the intestinal fortitude to stand up to corporate interests.

J

did you?

it just didn't matter to her.

now who to vote for ?

One of the candidates stood up for the rule of law and the other couldn't be bothered. Nuff said.

J

NGU.

This sort of thing is difficult for those who have already bought into her fake schtick to accept.

J

And I am glad after taking flack for missing key votes this year that Obama took the time to cast his vote.

I am disappointed that Hillary did not do so.

to the People
to the Constitution
to Democracy
to Me

We would have known her position on the matter.

What was your point again?

She had a chance to put her money where her mouth is and she dropped the ball -- and you say this "doesn't matter".

Is that like any state that is not NY, MA, NJ, AR or CA not mattering?

and, as a matter of fact, she die.

She's in the pockets of the corporations. When will you blind followers finally realize this?

Neither she nor Obama led on this issue. Their outrage was nonexistent. I respect Obama's taking time out from the oh-so-important job of becoming president, and for voting against the measure, but he did not lead.

That Clinton didn't show up at all says that she rates this issue as relatively unimportant. I'm saddened, but not surprised.

Why is it that neither one of our candidates seems to want to lead in the Senate? Why don't their beautiful slogans ever drive them to the front of the pack?

since he was busy at his book signing today.

J

J

I know you want to deflect the focus from her, but I'm not going to stand for it. She FAILED our government and the rule of law today...and you know it. Now, please address the question at hand. Why again should I trust my vote to her after this failure?

J

Well I am tired of being "betrayed" by both candidates not showing up to do the job they were elected to do.

I am disappointed in her missing this vote even though her vote would not have affected the margin or passage.

I was also disappointed when she did not make the 2nd vote for SCHIP.

I was disappointed in Obama missing both SCHIP votes, Kyl-Lieberman, the MoveOn resolution, the REAL ID vote among others.

I know you're trying hard to deny the incontroversial, but if you going to attempt to equate SCHIP with standing up for the rule of law...then you are hopeless in your psychological defense process.

J

And that margin was not an issue.

Sorry I also consider voting the near passage of health insurance for children and the seeking to create a veto proof majority for such as incredibly important.

That I also consider that when a candidate claims a resolution could have set us on a path to war that he take the time to vote on said resolution.


"then you are hopeless in your psychological defense process."

Yes because blasting Hillary for missing a vote while not acknowledging Obama's missed votes is a sign of good psyhcological health! :rofl:

That seems to be the new reasoning. They fail to realize, her HC plan is never going to pass as it stands.

I am a Hillary supporter saying she should have been there for this vote. That she has missed important votes along the way. That I mention Obama has missed quite a few important votes apparently is the worst thing ever.

I have to ask about the SCHIP votes though. What do they have to do with Hillary's health care plan?

Neither group can really claim any high ground as both are wrong to miss votes, regardless of potential and probable outcomes.

Equivalence CAN NOT BE MADE...and you know it. I'm sorry that her inaction provides you with psychological discomfort, but it is what it is.

J

Apparently merely disagreeing with your premise has caused you to revert to insults about people's psychological states.

I think that lady doth protest too much there...

Maybe I should use a Hillary avatar and really fuck with people. :evilgrin:

I put 20 people on my ignore list last week.

And it was 50/50 so called Obama & Hillary supporters.

Missing both votes was stupid. There, see how easy that was?

And boy, you pegged me quick. That's some insight you have to people's choice of candidate. Guess you missed my posts saying I WONT vote for Hillary in the G.E.? She's been dead last on my list since the get go.

I'm sorry that disagreement provides you with psychological discomfort, but it is what it is.

Thanks for playing. :hi:

The Clintonites here on DU are a picture perfect example of Freudian denial mechanisms at work. Watch their heads spin around and pop over this FACTUAL EVIDENCE of her caring more about herself than the rule of law.

J

Her vote could have made the point REGARDLESS OF THE LIKELY OUTCOME that she stands up for the rule of law. Instead, her inaction shows that she stands up for her own selfish interests and the pursuit of power.

She's an embarrassment and I just love to see the EXCUSES offered by those who support her.

J

She wants to lead. Well, lead for Christ's sake. This was a missed opportunity and a HUGE lapse in judgment on her part.

- as

(Standard disclaimer on all threads dealing with Hillary's non-vote: I am NOT an Obama supporter. I proudly cast my primary vote for John Edwards, and neither candidate has convinced me that they're worth voting for as of yet.

Sorry 'bout that. I am blinded by rage at this vote. It is clouding my math skills, which are not great to start out with. :)

- as

Hillary Clinton, A Bundle of Telecom Money....And A Strange Silence
October 26, 2007

Mike McCurry and Jamie Gorelick, who both served in the previous Clinton administration, have been raking in money as telecom lobbyists (Gorelick has been providing "strategic advice" to Verizon about obtaining immunity). And Howard Wolfson -- currently a senior advisor to the Clinton campaign -- is a partner in Glover Park, who represent Verizon. No doubt they'll all have some s'plainin to do if Hillary joins Dodd in his filibuster -- as Barack Obama and Joe Biden have already said they would do.

If as Hillary Clinton says she accepts lobbyist money and yet it doesn't influence her vote, wouldn't now be a nice time to prove it? I think we're at one of those moments where the rubber meets the road on that particular claim.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/hillary-clinton-a-bundle_b_70052.html

I have no doubt that Clinton, if she becomes President (which is doubtful), will never fail to place the interests of corporations above the citizenry.

I wonder how her traitorous actions against the RULE OF LAW will be viewed by Edwards and his pending endorsements?

J

Confirms everything we were suspecting about her.

I think this bill is more outrageous then what was said about her daughter.

She is running for the president - she should be on record.

her way to Texas? As noted last fall, sometimes campaign schedules can't be adjusted fast enough when a vote comes to the floor.

being a job-seeker (the white house)?

Campaign scheduling is a fucking nightmare unless you are an incumbent president with Air Force One and a police escorted motorcade.

Those who criticize senators for missing votes due to campaigning don't have an appreciation of just how hard it is to run for president.

Corporate contributors to the DLC and New Democratic Network include Bank One, Citigroup, Dow Chemical, DuPont, General Electric, Health Insurance Corporation of America, Merrill Lynch, Microsoft, Philip Morris, RJR Nabisco, Chevron, Prudential Foundation, Amoco Foundation, AT&T, Morgan Stanley, Occidental Petroleum, Raytheon, and many other Fortune 500 companies.

http://www.nndb.com/group/269/000093987/

Hence her failure to vote against them.

Her being AWOL is another example of her fighting for "us." This from the same woman that couldn't be restrained from voting for Kyl-Lieberman.

no one notices..does she forget this is the information age?

there's no room to talk.

Enough with this crap, you're only getting your own supporters jazzed up, no one else is falling for it.

J