The Solution to Michigan & Florida's primary problem.

The DNC pays for a 2 part ballot ..... kinda like what you get when you
drop off something to be fixed or your shirts @ the dry cleaner.

people vote @ their normal precincts .... on the top part of the "ballot"
they write the name of who they are voting for or they make their
mark by Obama or Clinton. the voter gets a numbered receipt to keep.
Have the voting over 3 days ..... so everybody gets a chance.



"Make your mark Pilgrim"

At the end ot the day the votes and ballot #s are recorded .....
now here comes the "tricky part" .... people count the votes.
The County BOE has 100% open access .... so if you were # 18,577 Menoniee
you could check if your vote got counted for who you voted for.
Open, easy, and great p.r. for why we need people to vote.
(BTW the more people who vote .... the better it is for us Dems/Liberals/
Progressives/Students/corn farmers/gay doctors/church goers/geeks/
lovers/friends/office workers/vets/bikers/steel workers/Skinners/ .....)

You read "it" here first.

Not so much the idea. Obama pulled his name off the ballot, and he didn't have to by *anybody's* rules. Not the DNC, not the "Four State Pledge." He just did it to pander to Iowa and Newhampshire. Let him live with the results. And maybe next time people will think twice about giving those two states so much power over our candidates and our nominating process.

I supported the early primary, *knowing* my vote wouldn't count, for just that reason. If Iowa/New Hampshire blow up in Obama's face, maybe he'll make enough of a stink so that we get REAL reform of the primary system (not just the pretend reform that had those two states STILL going first, just adding a couple of small states after that before the superdupersnoozer Tuesday).

Hillary Clinton said last October that Michigan's vote would not count ...
but now she wants it counted.

Now in Florida there wasn't supposed to be any campaigning but Hillary
"somehow" showed in state for "fund raisers," talked to the press, got
out to meet well wishers, and then rolled back in for a victory party.

Do not put bull shit on toast and tell me that it is "country style apple
butter."

Counted means that they come into the DNC with 100% delegate authority.

She expects them to come to the DNC with absolutely no delegate authority.

She only wants them seated after they come through the fucking doors. ;)

All within the rules. And consistant with what she's said.

2025 delegates. Once again she wants to change the rules to help her
campaign.

BTW Not unless things change big time Hillary is toast .... Obama is running
a hell of a campaign. He and his people have been working on this for plan
for years.

But still what is wrong with having people vote and counting the vote?

:-(

Seriously, for me, it's not about Obama or Hillary. My interest in this is entirely outside of which candidate gets the nomination, and how they do it. The fact is, Iowa and New Hampshire have to be forced to reliquish their "first in the nation FOREVER" status.

Obama, Edwards, Biden and Richardson were so afraid of looking bad to I/N.H. that they not only disregarded an important swing state, they actually slapped us in the face by taking their names off our ballot... all for fear of Iowa/New Hampshire. That's too much power for any state to have. If Obama is the nominee, and pays a price for his action, then maybe, just maybe, the PTB will stop kow-towing to those two states. That's all I'm thinking about, and arguing for. I don't even care if Michigan gets to be first (or very early) in future primary seasons. I just want somebody else. Of course, I'd like it to be one of the states of the Rust belt--I think Ohio would be better though--because we old-line industrial states have major problems that aren't being addressed by any of the candidates. If one of the early primaries was in such a state, maybe they'd feel compelled to address industrial-state concerns. It would be good to hear about that--just ONCE--instead of every single candidates' "ethanol policy" every four years.

I'm not going to get into candidate wars, with you or anybody. I like them both, and I'm not really a partisan of either. Over the last couple of weeks, I've come to believe that Obama will probably get the nomination. That will be fine with me. Of course, Hillary could still pull it off, and that will be fine with me too. I can't really bring myself to root for either one over the other--they both have things I love about them, and things I hate about them.

My point might have gotten lost .... mistakes were made.

What can be done now to correct the mistakes and to
accurately reflect the will of the people.

And, seriously, I don't think anything should be done. I think the MI and FL delegates should not count, and neither should their super delegates. The whole point of the "protest" was to create a mess that HAD to be addressed next time, with real reform.

We have acheived our goal!

Ok, to be fair, I think the MDP's goal was to play chicken with the DNC. But they and those of us who supported them, always knew that they might lose that game. The point was to ... well, make the point.

At least, that's my take. Many, many other people in Michigan not only disagree with me, they think I'm a dangerous lunatic, not to mention that I stink, and my momma dresses me funny.

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Note. I DO NOT STINK.

If it neither reflects the actual vote (flawed or not) nor changes the overall delegate totals, wouldn't a 50/50 split be merely a nice gesture to MI & FL.?

a deciding voice in determining the election - it would create a precedent in the future. This way they get a delegation but no real power. a fitiing compromise.

delegates provided that all the superdelegates in those states come out for a penalty free amnesty for undocumneted immigrants!

are the African rather than the European variety.

I understand that cute as they are, they don't make the best pets. They are nocturnal, and tend to defecate while walking which makes for some messy exercise wheels!

Why MI & FL? Wouldn't this system be an interesting check on election results anywhere?

And second, I could imagine a bunch of troublemakers (for some reason FReepers come to mind) getting together in some precinct, voting for somebody & then, after the count, claiming that they voted for the other candidate and they wuz robbed, thereby throwing the whole process into confusion.

To allow their votes to "count" as of now they have been "tossed from the system"

I could imagine a bunch of troublemakers ....
e.z. just like a regular vote ... you can only vote if you are registered voter.

You get a bunch of friends to do the same. So, say, a pre-coordinated bunch of people first vote for Hillary but then show up claiming that they had voted for Obama but somehow their votes got switched to Hillary.

They knew exactly what they were doing by jumping the calendar and were repeatedly warned. Why should they be rewarded for their mistakes. We need to become the responsibility party, and this would not help any.

Time to "the right thing" and move on.

in writing off Florida and Michigan voters in the General Election. It would be suicide.

There has to be some solution.