For those who think Kerry should apologize for his remarks yesterday

I noticed in the thread asking whether Kerry should apologize for his remarks calling the Republican attack machine liars and crooks that a very few people (6%) voted Other, or that Kerry should apologize for those remarks. I am interested in hearing more from such people.

Only one person elaborated in the thread why they thought Kerry should apologize, and that was because this person thought nobody believs Kerry was referring to the Republican attack machine, but that he was referring to Bush himself, and that Kerry should come clean and accuse Bush directly of being a liar and a crook.

If you voted yes in that poll, is this the reason why? I have another theory, but I will withhold it until some other answers are revealed in this thread.

I personally believe Kerry WAS referring to the Republican attack machine as opposed to Bush himself, but I'd rather he were referring to Bush personally. If you think he was referring to Bush personally, do you think he should apologize for that? If so, why?

Do you think Kerry's remarks were intentional or an accident?

I have seen the tape several times tonight and I am convinced that that Kerry did NOT know the microphone was on when he made these remarks to his inner circle. This was an accident, IMO, but a fortunate one in my estimation. It has not hurt the Kerry campaign but has enhanced it some.

If you think Kerry should apologize, do you think so insofar as he should reiterate his statement more strongly and specifically that Bush himself is a liar and a crook? Or that Kerry got caught off guard saying something that you consider something out of line in a Presidential campaign?

I am anxious for the responses from the crowd who think Kerry should apologize, for whatever reason, and I will give my theory after a good many responses are written.

and I am pretty sure that Kerry knew it was on. Even the whisper was a stage whisper.

He has to actively let people know that he is going to take the offensive with these crooks, not just fend off Rove's attacks. I think this will gain him a lot of respect, maybe enough to bring in some who havefelt like voting is useless.

saw the re-play on The Daily Show. My first impression is he knew it was on. He said it under his breath but he knew it would B picked up. Didn't FDR say 'There R no accidents in politics. If there is one, you can be sure it was planned that way' or something along those lines...?

Kerry should refer to Bush directly, but what would that prove?

Kerry refused to apologize and (to me) that's the same as saying his remarks were truthful... but that's just me,


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(EDITED: Kery to Kerry)

and not to Bush himself.

Although it is true for Bush, but the attack machine is too smart to implicate the king personally.

I don't think this was intentional, but it didn't do any harm.

that will come back to haunt Kerry later, but I think Kerry will be able to handle it...

if he continues to refuse to apologize.

Support the Kerry Scream,

d

oh, my! Liars and...Sorry, couldn't help myself. But the republicans must be living in Oz if they can't admit that they are, in general, liars and crooks. Want some proof?

Ask me anything!

JFK should reiterate his statements, not apologize for them.

and mess around. also there are others who just like to play around to mess with results. so i think most who voted for kerry to apologize are those as i just described.

and then there are others with real reasons such as they might think it will hurt democrats in the election if kerry doesn't apologize or something similar.

for months on end to vote once in a while?? Would YOU be able to tolerate that? :WTF:

I think it's more likely some real honest to god democrats that disagree. It DOES happen - especially here!! LOL!

lurk on this board. They make their presence known whenever there is a poll up asking who people will vote for. There is always a handful of people who respond that they will vote for Bush. Roughly in the same proportion of yes votes that you got on your poll.

Try putting up a poll yourself and see what happens. Some people truly have nothing better to do with their time.:shrug:

there are people who are mean to people and pretend to be Kerry Supporters so they can use it as an excuse to be mean. They don't care if Kerry wins or loses. All they care about is being mean.

"REAL" Kerry Supporters KNOW that being mean won't help get Kerry elected,


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I was being facetious. As I explained in the other thread, my answer was that he should tell them to get stuffed. I think that is sufficiently removed from thinking he should apologize.

I don't really know whether it was an accident or on purpose and I don't really care. The important thing is that he not apologize or back down.

I also don't know whether he was referring to the repug attack machine or to the Bush regime itself, and again I don't really care.

I agree with this statement by Wes Clark, "give 'em hell and never retreat."

on topic. Thank you mister Kerry. Speak your mind.

Good for you...

and please continue to speak your mind,






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are liars, crooks and MF'ers. And no, I won't be apologizing!

McCain for one tries to see our side when he can,

d

the mike is obviously on?

He only says these things behind people's backs?

Get a spine Kerry!

it's politically undesireable to do so ad nauseume to the public

The idea of campaigns is not nesessarily to appease Democrats with a hair up their buttoons about their favorite candidates losing the primaries.

The idea is to appeal to voters - and particulatly those who have not yet decided and still have an open mind. That is where your hypothesis goes awry.

You have already decided one way or the other how you are going to vote. Kerry needs to focus on those who have not yet decided - that's what elections are all about.

"republican attack squad", etc etc etc etc. Wes Clark has said it too on his behalf. He has been saying this since at least the drudge fiasco. I know you hate him, but he as been saying it loud and clear. You are wrong about him. Thank you.

Nope-- he's doing just fine.

I have no idea whether the mike thing was a mistake or not, but I suspect it was a clever way of getting the comment out without actually "saying" it.

Since the comment was a "mistake," it's not really a point for debate, but it will certainly be picked up. Probably picked up and given more publicity than if he had said it outright.

So, now, rather than having to justify saying it, as he would if he made charges in the actual speech, he can just say "Yeah, I said it-- got a problem with that?"

You can't pull this kind of thing very often, but it's a great opening shot.

This is going to be a very interesting campaign.