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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:47 AM
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My Republican brothers are giving me an interesting bit of insight into the GOP plan.
One lives in Alexandria and called me excited the other day to tell me he had voted for HRC in the primary, hoping that she would win "Because McCain can beat her."
The other, who lives in Louisiana, is very, very upset to think Obama could win the whole thing, "because our country will go to hell."
Neither think either BO or HRC could handle being president. Neither loves McCain. But he is the lesser of "Three evils," to hear them tell it.
So it appears that the GOP are trying to infiltrate the electorate somehow, and there may be a concerted effort to upset the primaries. Good luck, I think. It doesn't seem to me that the effort is very congealed.
For one thing, my brother in Virginia says he will vote for HRC in the end if Huckabee wins the GOP nod. The other said he wouldn't vote for Huckabee either.
Actually, I like Huckabee. He is a nice guy. But he IS a Republican and he would make a lousy president.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:48 AM
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1. Every open primary has people crossing the aisles
I think that probably evens things out in the end. I just don't see some huge groundswell to game the system so much that it'd make a big difference.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:00 PM
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18. Believe me, the GE will look nothing like the primaries...no matter who wins
the nomination. I just think Hillary has a better chance with the "Commander-in-Chief" issues, the healthcare, and economic issues. She can bring the women's vote, and in the end, after the final debates some of the Independents who swore her off might come around. She will wipe the floor with McCain and the funddies will be sitting home watching and will not go to the polls.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:08 PM
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2. If you think Huckabee is a "nice guy", then you obviously are very ignorant
of his past statements. He's a nasty jackass. You've just bought media spin. Congratulations.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:16 PM
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4. You know you don't have to be insulting
I tried to give Pink Tiger info, instead of resorting to calling them ignorant.

We should be trying to help educate one another instead of this senseless name calling.

Just Sayin'


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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:21 PM
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8. I didn't call anyone a name. "Ignorant" means "not knowlegeable" about something, as in
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 12:22 PM by wienerdoggie
"I'm ignorant of economic matters". I didn't call this person ignorant, I said he was ignorant of Hucky's past statements. Jesus, get a dictionary.

edit--oops, I DID call Huckabee a "nasty jackass", and I don't take that back.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:45 PM
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12. D'uh I KNOW what ignorant means, Sheesh
Happy Valentines Day, wienerdoggie.




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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:28 PM
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24. While technically true, it was still a bit demaning in tone. It's the GDP battle aura.
An example might be an overweight person, or somone insecure about their weight. While it might be technically correct to call them "fat", it would arguably still be an insult.

Something to consider.
Heck, I was in mid battle mode last week, and accidentally misread a poster. When I realized I had hurt someone, I apologized, but it still felt bad and bugged me for hours, until I could come back to pm them. This stuff can wear on ya.

I agree with you that huckabee is a nasty jackass.
Anybody that wants to warp the constitution into the bible deserves much worse names.

The OP, on the other hand, seems like a nice person, as is Muffin, who's a sweetie. ;)
Happy Valentine to us all, eh?
Except the nasty jackasses, of course. :hi:
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:42 PM
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11. Of course you are right
God forbid a person be allowed to form an opinion on their own. Must be because they bought the media spin. (sarcasm)

You know what -- Huckabee seems like a nice guy to me too. And I am intrigued by the fair tax. I guess I'm drinking kool-aid too.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:17 PM
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22. Huckabee is good at looking like a nice guy.
Doesn't mean he is a nice guy.

Josef Stalin was reputed to be a great guy to meet at parties - very jovial. But gods help you if you pissed him off...
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:12 PM
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3. I've heard this as well from the MSM, however what puzzles me about this is:
Why are most of them voting for Obama?.?.?

If they wanted to face Hillary as our nominee then shouldn't they be voting for Barack, it makes no sense:shrug:

Unless that is another one of their Clusterfooks. Psych 101 make us believe they would rather face Hillary, but instead they would much rather face Barack.

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Huckabee, is NOT a nice guy, appearances can be deceiving.

Did you know he wants to change the Constitution to reflect on the Bible?.?.?

He was also responsible for paroling two convicted raptist, which once released went on to rape again and one woman was killed in that tragic event.




As governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee aggressively pushed for the early release of a convicted rapist despite being warned by numerous women that the convict had sexually assaulted them or their family members, and would likely strike again. The convict went on to rape and murder at least one other woman.
Confidential Arkansas state government records, including letters from these women, revealed publicly for the first time, directly contradict the version of events now being put forward by Huckabee.
While on the campaign trail, Huckabee has claimed that he supported the 1999 release of Wayne Dumond because, at the time, he had no good reason to believe that the man represented a further threat to the public. Thanks to Huckabee's intervention, conducted in concert with a right-wing tabloid campaign on Dumond's behalf, Dumond was let out of prison 25 years before his sentence would have ended.
"There's nothing any of us could ever do," Huckabee said Sunday on CNN when asked to reflect on the horrific outcome caused by the prisoner's release. "None of us could've predicted what could've done when he got out."
But the confidential files show that Huckabee was provided letters from several women who had been sexually assaulted by Dumond and who indeed predicted that he would rape again - and perhaps murder - if released.
In a letter that has never before been made public, one of Dumond's victims warned: "I feel that if he is released it is only a matter of time before he commits another crime and fear that he will not leave a witness to testify against him the next time." Before Dumond was granted parole at Huckabee's urging, records show that Huckabee's office received a copy of this letter from Arkansas' parole board.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/04/documents-expose-huckabee_n_75362.html



Here's a post with more Huckster:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2398545



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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:19 PM
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6. I'm telling you, people actually LIKE Obama.
Whites, Blacks, women, men, moderates, fiscal conservatives (some), etc. He's a hell of a candidate, and the dems would be foolish to not nominate him.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:56 PM
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17. I don't doubt there are genuine supporters for Barack
He's drawing the large crowds like Kerry did in '04.


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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:29 PM
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25. Kerry wasn't drawing moderate Republicans. Don't kid yourself
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:49 PM
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28. Sure he was. Kerry would have blown Bush out of the water if it weren't for
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 02:50 PM by Leopolds Ghost
an equally energized rural christian conservative vote who saw Bush as a
literal Messiah,

coupled with vote-stealing in red precincts where massive amounts of
phantom voters appeared electronically and were overlooked by Dems, who
made the same mistake as Gore made, thinking the vote-stealing would only needed in blue areas.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 07:32 PM
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29. And your PROOF?.?.
I won't kid myself by believing in what you say.

We have NO way of KNOWING how anyone voted.

He actually WON, but like Gore before him the MACHINE was already in motion.



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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:51 PM
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15. What I observe is
that moderates, independents and moderate Republicans are the ones who tend to genuinely like Obama. The rabid right-wingers are still firmly in the R camp and are the ones trying to influence the election by voting for whomever they see as the easiest to beat.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:06 PM
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20. I did have a problem with all the crossovers,
and whether they are sincere. Hell, why shouldn't he appeal to more voters.

The Rethugicons didn't mind when our voters switched over for Reagan.

Why not try and bring more people to the party. I've heard we have a BIG TENT.


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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:19 PM
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5. Huckabee is george bush without the intelligence.
;)
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:20 PM
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7. That was the Republican gameplan, but it backfired. They wanted to end theirs and corrupt ours.
Their plan was to end the Republican race early, and thought getting Romney out would do that. That would allow them to send their voters en masse into the primaries in places like Virginia and Texas, and have them vote for Hillary. They clearly had a plan to steal the nomination from Obama, whom they fear, and throw it to Hillary, whom they feel they can beat. Also, raising money for Republicans up and down the ticket would be easy against Hillary. Not so against Barack.

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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:33 PM
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9. And this is different from 2000 and 2004 how?
From where I sit, in the middle of corporate GOP supporters, 2000 was a choice between Clinton by proxy, or a buffon. They hated Clinton enough to vote for the buffoon. Thanks to wedge politics by Rove and Nader, and a bit of vote fixin' here and there we got the buffoon.

Then again in 2004, these monied white men again had to choose between the buffoon or the 'tax and spend', 'flip-flopping', 'waffler' liberal. Thanks to wedge politics and vote fixin' (again!) we got the dummy once more.

For the GOP, those elections were the lesser of two evils. Hell, 2004 was the lesser of two evils for me. Kerry excited me like mold on cheese.

And again here in 2008 we've got the same thing. Hillary Clinton is as loveable as a brick, IMO. Obama is very lovable, but his politics (in DC mind you) have shown me that he can be easily led. (Recall that his mentor in the Senate was Joe Liberman, that got him off on the wrong foot, why Drubin wasn't his mentor, I'll never know). And McCain is... well McCain. Loveable as a brick too, but also a Republican. So that's something like a shit-brick in my book.

Folks, our choices this primary cycle are between shades of the same thing in this party. Both are mainstream Democrats, the 'Democratic wing of the Democratic party' does not have a horse in this race. Edwards was that last hope and even then he is only 1/2 progressive in my book.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:39 PM
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10. 2000 Clinton wasn't running, I think you meant Al Gore
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 12:40 PM by MagickMuffin
you still have time to edit :-)


edit:typo


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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:13 PM
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21. Nope... I said "Clinton by proxy" That was the perception of Al Gore by the right
At least all the ones I knew. For them, Al Gore never stepped out of Clinton's shadow. For the GOP voters, a vote for Gore was a vote for Clinton. Just like HW Bush was an extension of Regan. They voted for Shrub that time because he cloaked him self in the Gipper's bathrobe.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:53 PM
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27. I see now, I'm too tired to comprehend any more
Guess that means I should take a nap.

Thanks for clearing this up for me.




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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:45 PM
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13. Since the Rethugs don't particularly care for their nominee...they don't mind
using up their vote to influence our nominee. Ain't right. The person who the people feel is best should win this election...not the one who has been elected due to trickery or playing games and deceitful voting. But, I guess that is too much to hope for!
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:52 PM
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16. I agree, I've heard it reported several times that the Rethuglicons don't allow crossover voting
in most states. In Texas we can vote for anyone in the primaries, they stamp your registration card so you can't vote in both.


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M_Demo_M Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:49 PM
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14. Huckabee in Not a nice guy.
He just plays one on TV.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:00 PM
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19. Re Huckabee: 'nice' guys don't have people fired fo not letting dog torturers go free
Huckabee's son got into some trouble re animal abuse. When the case wasn't dropped immediately, somebody lost his job.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241

As Mike Huckabee gains in the polls, the former Arkansas governor is finding that his record in office is getting more scrutiny. One issue likely to get attention is his handling of a sensitive family matter: allegations that one of his sons was involved in the hanging of a stray dog at a Boy Scout camp in 1998. The incident led to the dismissal of David Huckabee, then 17, from his job as a counselor at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, Ark. It also prompted the local prosecuting attorney— bombarded with complaints generated by a national animal-rights group—to write a letter to the Arkansas state police seeking help investigating whether David and another teenager had violated state animal-cruelty laws. The state police never granted the request, and no charges were ever filed. But John Bailey, then the director of Arkansas's state police, tells NEWSWEEK that Governor Huckabee's chief of staff and personal lawyer both leaned on him to write a letter officially denying the local prosecutor's request. Bailey, a career officer who had been appointed chief by Huckabee's Democratic predecessor, said he viewed the lawyer's intervention as improper and terminated the conversation. Seven months later, he was called into Huckabee's office and fired. "I've lost confidence in your ability to do your job," Bailey says Huckabee told him. One reason Huckabee cited was "I couldn't get you to help me with my son when I had that problem," according to Bailey. "Without question, was making a conscious attempt to keep the state police from investigating his son," says I. C. Smith, the former FBI chief in Little Rock, who worked closely with Bailey and called him a "courageous" and "very solid" professional.


Nice guy in a power abusing, anti-law, protect animal abusers sort of way, I guess.

The GOP slate sucks major.

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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:19 PM
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23. It seems like more republicans are crossing over to vote for Obama because they like him better
then crossing over to vote for Hillary so that they can beat her in November.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:35 PM
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26. You would be correct
Look people - get outside of your echo chamber. Moderates/Independents/and some Republicans really, honestly like Obama. Why? Maybe they're just sick and tired of 50%+1 politics. I know that's a big issue for me and my wife.

Go ahead and nominate Hillary. I'd be a damn bloodbath in the fall, and people like myself would either vote for McCain or go third party. It's that simple. The GOP is handing this to you on a platter, given the past 8 years. Please don't fuck yet another election.
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:15 PM
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30. I was being rather tongue in cheek about Huckabee.
I'm not an ignorant fool, so don't worry. LOL
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