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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:00 PM
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Is there any hope that Obama would chase the Bush criminals down?
If he were elected? One knock I have against Sen. Clinton is that she would certainly not go after their business partners. But is there any reason to hope that Obama would do the right thing in that regard?

If you think yes, do you base it on more than just feeling?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:01 PM
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Well, I will just say that John Conyers and Robert Wextler both
endorsed Obama, and they are the most doggit that I have seen thus far in the entire house willing to do this.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:06 PM
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5. Valid reason. Thanks. n/t
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:17 PM
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28. Give it up. Obama said impeachment is off the table as far as he is concerned.
"I think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breeches, and intentional breeches of the president's authority," he said.

"I believe if we began impeachment proceedings we will be engulfed in more of the politics that has made Washington dysfunction," he added. "We would once again, rather than attending to the people's business, be engaged in a tit-for-tat, back-and-forth, nonstop circus."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/28/america/NA-POL-US-Obama-No-Impeachment.php
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:11 AM
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34. No presidential aspirant would want impeachment because there would
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 12:11 AM by burythehatchet
be no oxygen left for the campaign (as DK discovered).
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:01 PM
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1. No!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:02 PM
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2. Yes, but Hillary will help Bush cover his tracks.
the BushClintons do it that way
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:02 PM
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3. I doubt it
He seems to wanna make peace.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:05 PM
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4. No justice, no peace, or so it goes
:)
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:06 PM
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6. I think if he gets expanded majorities in House and Senate, YES
If we can get some disgruntled Repugs on our side in terms of investigations (and don't need to fear filibusters in the Senate), I think he'd definitely support turning over the rocks and seeing what's underneath.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:07 PM
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7. There's always hope.
And then there's reality.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:11 PM
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8. In the spirit of bi-partisan collation building?
Not on his best day.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:16 PM
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11. I believe that we would be surprised how many Repubs would support it
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 08:16 PM by burythehatchet
when they have the political cover of a Dem congress.

edit to clarify - this would be coalition building IMO :)
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:32 PM
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13. They have the cover of a Dem congress right now. They walked out
on them today.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:54 PM
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24. And how many of them are NOT running for reelection?.?.?
There are a whole lot of them "retiring" if you haven't heard.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:12 PM
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9. Absolutely none.
:(
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:12 PM
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10. Lets see who his pick for AG is
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:21 PM
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12. How about Edwards?
:D
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:38 PM
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17. Depends on Elizabeth, I think. nt
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:35 PM
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14. There can be no change without justice and accountability.
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Moh96 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:36 PM
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15. I am not too worried about that because if the next president doesn't
Americans and the whole world will act to deliver justice to these war criminals
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:37 PM
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16. That would be a disaster of a policy
It would just divide up the nation and accomplish nothing significant but the feeling of vengence.

If you really think that the democrats should do this, you have to get their priorities straight.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:42 PM
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18. well, let me politely ask you
How many of the current criminal roster would be an acceptable number for you, in terms of coming back in the next Republican administration. Do you realize how many of these career criminals have their hands in scandal after scandal after scandal. Putting their asses in jail would be the most uniting, cathartic thing that could happen in our country and for the planet.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:51 PM
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23. Are you serious?
To the majority of the nation, putting the current administration in jail would be the equivilant of something Stalin would do. It is just undemocratic.
What we need to do is forgive this administration and move forward. Starting wars about the past will get you no where.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:57 PM
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25. we are products of different experiences, my friend. Good evening. nt
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:43 PM
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19. There's a slim chance with Obama. There's no chance with Hillary.
I'll take slim over none any day of the week.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:44 PM
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20. The logic is impeccable, indeed! nt
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:44 PM
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21. Not happening. Too hard a sell to Middle America.
We can only hope for leadership into the future--there will be no justice for the crimes of the past.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:50 PM
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22. If he asked John Kerry to be the Attorney General, I think so
Kerry KNOWS where most of the corruption is buried.

Kerry uncovered a lot of the corruption back in the 80's and 90's, Iran Contra, BCCI to name a couple. Billbo wasn't concerned about the investigations and swept it under the Oval Office rug.

Now there is even more dirt under there, waiting for the person willing to do the dirty work.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:10 PM
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26. Maybe John Dean can figure it out...
it seems to me, that the majority of laws that have been passed in the last however many years, were to make certain criminal behavior legal. Along with Bush's signing statements. I don't know how that would work, I mean what crimes would be more likely to be successfully prosecuted. There seems to be a full array to choose from. In any case, I may be naive but I can't make myself believe that all this damage can be done without consequences.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:12 PM
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27. I think he might, without being overt.
I think Obama is playing a lot of things close to the vest which allows him to remain a bit obscure. It's wonderful.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:17 PM
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29. As long as he opens up the Presidential records and puts the information out there for everyone
to see, I'm inclined to think things will take care of themselves.

It's the SECRECY in government that's been killing us more than anything. We've been brainwashed into the unitary executive way of thinking. Let's not forget about Congress. If we have a Congress that will conduct the hearings and Obama nominates a good AG (Edwards), we can get the ball rolling and start to root out the cancer.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:25 PM
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30. Awesome. I wish Obama is asked that question soon. "Will you reinstate FOIA
and document declassification policies to pre-Bush levels?"
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:37 PM
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32. Obama has the best ethics reform plan of any of the candidates, IMO.
  • Hold 21st Century Fireside Chats: Obama will bring democracy and policy directly to the people by requiring his Cabinet officials to have periodic national broadband townhall meetings to discuss issues before their agencies.

  • Make White House Communications Public: Obama will amend executive orders to ensure that communications about regulatory policymaking between persons outside government and all White House staff are disclosed to the public.

  • Conduct Regulatory Agency Business in Public: Obama will require his appointees who lead the executive branch departments and rulemaking agencies to conduct the significant business of the agency in public, so that any citizen can see in person or watch on the Internet these debates.

  • Release Presidential Records: Obama will nullify the Bush attempts to make the timely release of presidential records more difficult.

  • Close the Revolving Door on Former and Future Employers: No political appointees in an Obama administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration.

  • Free Career Officials from the Influence of Politics: Obama will issue an executive order asking all new hires at the agencies to sign a form affirming that no political appointee offered them the job solely on the basis of political affiliation or contribution.

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/#bring-americans-back
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:07 AM
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33. hmm, actual detailed proposals, huh? nt
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:28 PM
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31. Sure he will. He'll use his special powers of hypnosis to make other Repukes "work with him" --
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 11:30 PM by smalll
to reveal all the schemes, scams and hiding-places of the Bush gang, chase them down on his superpony Hopeanchange, then lasso them in with his white iPod Cord of Unity.
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