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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:32 PM Original message |
Hillary did not even win 60% in NY, yet she must do this in TX, OH, and PA just to have a chance. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hillary can win. Don't count her out. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. how? |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Superdelegates are fair - but i doubt that Hillary can win that way if she |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. so I ask again, will you approve if Hillary steals it with SDs? |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Like I said, that would not be "stealing it" but it is unlikely to happen that way. |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. All it takes is a win in OH or TX - and it's over |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. He is losing in both states |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. The last poll had Obama down 10 in late January. |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Again, I will have to debunk you for the 6th time in 48 hours.. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. That is a very naive view |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. add to that the fact that some very highly placed Latinos are pissed |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #31 |
52. When campaigns perform below expectations the campaign manager usually goes |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
66. Obama's been doing the trouncing. n/t |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #52 |
79. i guess we'll have to wait and see.... |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #10 |
71. Likely to be close, not a big Hillary win in any case |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. It isn't 50/50 anymore 65/35 maybe, over half the states have voted and Obama is ahead |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Nope. The Popular vote is within 1% & Pledged Delegate count is within 6%. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. It is closer than that with pledged delegates |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Great! Thanks for the facts... I was just rounding numbers in my head. |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Sorry to disappoint you - Obama is not that stupid |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Obama's not - but if enough of his supporters become complacent then .... you know. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #33 |
53. Yup |
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Iktomiwicasa (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
36. "and if it was "winner take all" as is the GE |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Just sayin' that all the big states choose Hillary --- something for Obamanation to think about. |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #37 |
69. Those big states would be blue in the GE, so it's really not the |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. No, Florida is certainly not guaranteed to be blue. |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Your last line goes without saying of course. LOL. n/t |
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I Vote In Pittsburgh (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Hillary needs to win 68%-32% in Texas AND Ohio to lead Obama in pledged delegates |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. She doesn't need to be in the lead... she needs to tighten the race and win some |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
54. Who cares? She doesn't need to lead by March 5. She needs to lead on June 9 |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #54 |
74. Au contraire mon ami!! |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #24 |
67. I disagree with your popular vote count. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Those are based on the best estimates of actual voters in the caucus states. |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Yes, I know they are "actual" voters. You missed the point, |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I got the point. You are trying to stretch things to make Obama appear to do |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
62. its not 50/50 if Hillary has to win all 3 big states with 60% |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #62 |
77. I don't think she has to win all 3 @60% .... And I would put the chance |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. you must not have done any calculations, are you relying wholly on the SDs? |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. No. She's not as far behind as some seem to think. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. do you have any evidence or is this just your gut feeling? |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. she doesn't need that much |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. Its over, Hillary may block Obama from getting 2025, but its over. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
9. People are forgetting Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Texas are not the only states left |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. she wont win nc |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. agreed... |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. She won't win Mississippi, Vermont, or Oregon either. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. She has a great chance in Vermont, could win Oregon |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Obama DID NOT bring race into the campaign. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. The Obamas did well before the BS about Clinton's fairytale remark began |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Vermont and Oregon both have demographics similar to other smaller states... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Vermont is progressive and Hillary's best states are progressive ones |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
43. This is a bunch of crap |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Who won Massachussetts, California, and New Jersey? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I don't know much about Jersey politics |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. California in the 60's was far different |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I live here in California and trust me |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Oh, and how do you explain Hillary's triumph in Oklahoma? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. She won California largely due to the Latino vote. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #29 |
49. She also won the white vote in California |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. That is bullshit |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Obama did not bring race into this campaign and you know it. |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #15 |
68. Very doubtful she'll win in Oregon. I know the political landscape |
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I Vote In Pittsburgh (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
40. ... or Hawaii, or Wisconsin n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. We can't predict how a state will vote three months from now |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Doubt it. |
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knowledgeispwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #14 |
44. No way she's going to win NC |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. There is no way Hillary will win Vermont |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
41. So she's going to win Rhode Island and Vermont because there are few conservative dems |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. down is up, up is down, in is out.... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
28. I bet she did in the primaries |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #28 |
46. No she didn't get 60% in the New York primary |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. She got 57% in the general |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Huh? I'm talking about the 2008 primary, you know the most relevant recent one |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. ah |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. The OP refers EXACTLY to the 2008 primary |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #65 |
78. I understand now |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
45. I say........ |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
47. I could ask you the same question... |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. OK, let's nominate Hillary and she'll win the whacked out fundie vote |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Deleted message |
ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. LMAO! You want an intelligent answer... |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:12 AM Response to Reply #47 |
59. Obama is winning. Hillary is the one scraping for Superdelegates , MI and FL delegates, etc. |
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Thepricebreaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
80. BINGO! you it right on the head... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
84. will you Obama people wait for these folks to vote before calling the election? |
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