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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:01 AM Original message |
Obama leads Hillary in the buying off of superdelegates by giving them money |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
1. This is a misleading title, and I find it very dishonest. Stop already. |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. whaaaaaaaa whaaaaaaaaa |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. desparation, ah...so funny. |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
42. Obama adds another win!!! |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
69. All your opposition research Herman.... |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. "Negative advertising does not work on DU..." |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. That might stop the Obama regulars from starting all their negative threads. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. It is accurate |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
43. Yes, the Title is accurate... and to the point. What is interesting "IS" this: |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Yes, we've all seen the TPM for the day from HIS44. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. So, he was plotting with Kerry before Kerry opted not to run? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
38. OP should have included 4:1 ratio. to be more honest. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
3. Interesting. Read it earlier. |
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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
4. that's a bit disingenuous, don't you think? |
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catagory5 (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. It is dishonest... |
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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. where did I say the article was dishonest? nt |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. What percentage of Obama's lobbiyst funded PAC money went to candidates in the early states? |
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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. uh, no |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. In which states? |
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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. you tell me |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. You should know what your candidate does... |
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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. I don't go looking into every nook and cranny |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Results don't matter. Intent does |
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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. broke the law?! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. It broke FEC regulations |
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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. well duh |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. That has no bearing on the legality of what he did |
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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. legality? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:22 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. It's against FEC rules |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #36 |
56. Was the support Edwards gave Iowa Democrats and others illegal? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #32 |
55. He didn't use it for his Presidential campaign |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #29 |
54. He did not break any law |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. I think you are arguing that Hillary didn't support other lawmakers' run for office |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. More like the 4 state strategy |
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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. 4 state strategy? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:27 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Curious --the 4 where half the $$ went --another DU pointed this out-- |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
8. You are so silly! Every member of congress is a superdelegate....and so |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. Why did he send 43% of the money to Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada? |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
9. Debunked here: |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #9 |
25. Good link. Here's what it says: |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Question--Obama knew he was going to run. Why didn't he save? |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Did you not read the post above? He was trying to help other Dems get elected. n/t |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. Potential super delegates or already super delegates; he was investing |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #25 |
59. Those here in 2006 might remember that people were mad at HRC for this |
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casus belli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
11. Hillary spent 36 million in a one-sided contest re-election bid in 2006 |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Bingo! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. What big races were there in Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, and South Carolina? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
26. Should she have done something illegal with the money? |
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casus belli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:24 AM Response to Reply #26 |
37. The entire PAC system is an exploited loophole. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
15. HILLARY DEFENDS ROLE OF SUPER DELEGATES |
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CalGator (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. actually, Hillary is not a super delegate (I think) |
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yeswecan08 (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
17. Hillary is jealous - money is power in American politics |
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NMMatt (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
20. Good to see... |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
41. Obama outbribed Clinton by almost 4 to 1? |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:22 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. onehandle, that's the bottom line |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
67. Please don't call it a "bribe" |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
44. Is this the new clinton strategy... |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Yeah. 'Cause Clinton is totally against the influence of money in politics. |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #44 |
58. mckeown1128 the point is |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Obama hasn't taken pac money either... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
45. Obama outflanks Hillary again! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
47. Obama demonstrates he gives more support to Democrats for Congress than Hillary! n/t |
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my3boyz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
48. And????????????? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
49. Give me a break - This refelcts that Obama's PAC helped more in 2006 |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
57. Pot met Kettle |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
60. So, absolute worst case, Obama in 2005, anticipating a possible future |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
61. Another example of Obama spanking "Mrs Experience" on HOW to get it done! GObama! |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. yeah--Mr. Ethic man struts his stuff. |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. A good example of the "change" he will bring to the table, same old |
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RestoreGore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
66. I guess bribery is the only way some can "win" n/t |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
68. Oil Money put Bush in the Whitehouse, Obama's dirty money can too! -Yes we can!/nt |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
70. Your suggestion that Obama is lobbying SDs harder than the Clintons is absurd and |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
71. Yeah, being second in this category makes things so much sweeter. |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. His "change" mantra needs to be changed to reflect reality. |
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ericgtr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
75. I just saw something about this on CNN |
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