I saw HRC today - I was, frankly, shocked by how gorgeous she is in person.

We waited in the cold for an hour or so at her "Brat Stop" appearance in Kenosha (it was filled to capacity even before we got there) so we just waited to see her arrive along with the rest of the 1,000 or so others.

She was much smaller than I thought she would be but, in person, she is stunning. Just jaw droppingly attractive and this isn't just my opinion but that of everyone standing around us.

Plus she is so friendly and vivacious she just about glows.

After disembarking from her vehicle she came rushing right over to the rope line to greet all of us and she was just so engaging and warm she had the crowd swooning over her.

I know I sound like a gushing teenybopper but I'm a seasoned veteran of candidate watching over many years - on the tube and in person - and she is just incredible - in good looks and utter charm.

I know you won't believe me but I swear on a bible that we only drove up to see her because we were curious and 'wanted to hear her speak.

got there.

Just sharing a visual experience.

I went for the free wine and food at this grand house and everybody there thought pretty much the same thing.

She is much prettier than she comes across on teevee.

The physical toll of a campaign this long would have knocked out other people her age a long time ago.
I wonder what kind of vitamins she takes, really.

Even though I'm for Obama now, I give her a tremendous amount of credit for the amount of knowledge she's accrued,
for the endurance and for the dedication she's shown. Pretty amazing, if you ask me. (And even if you don't...):toast:

but you never tell me nothin'.

very much of anything.

makeup. She took a napkin and wiped my cheeks thinking some rouge would come off. Nothin'. And I never will use makeup or dye my hair or do anything unnatural.

and I'm reminded of some saying about "skin-deep".

but I don't have to prove anything to you. If you knew me, you'd have an opinion of me 180 degrees from what it obviously is now.

You are strong, intelligent and beautiful. (And monkeyfunk doesn't just describe his depression over chimpy, I think it's self-descriptive too, poor fellow)... ;)

Thanks, Labors of Hercules! :pals: (I love your avatar!)

wow, someone who won't wear make up and won't dye her hair, can be so vain I never woulda thunk it.

wearer, which is probably why I went the opposite direction.

It hardly makes you oh so special that you don't wear makeup or die your hair. I went to undergrad with a slew of women just like you, and these women put down all the women around them and were usually very insecure.

:hi:

just kidding. You are happily married!

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What an absolutely shitty post from a supporter of the Candidate of CHANGE. BTW -- anyone know what Ms Obama spends on HER hair? :sarcasm:

use of collagen.

I really don't admire catty women.

:)

:pals:

is telling the truth. Sure. Most people who are genuinely gorgeous do not need to tell strangers on a message board about it. Post a picture of yourself, then, and let others besides your Mom (lmfao) decide.

looks.

anyone on message boards who tells you how pretty they are, especially considering the anonymity of message boards such as this.

Seriously though, I find some of the most shallow posts on the board coming from Obama supporters. Yesterday a Clinton supporter posted a very decent thread about the issues why one needs to vote for Obama over McCain. An Obama supporter promptly comes in and chimes something like "And another excellent reason to support Obama over McCain-Obama is COOL McCain is NOT"..

And they wonder why we think all they are interested in is an empty suit :eyes:.

I personally think it's OK to comment on how good looking or pretty etc. someone is but when the purpose of the comments are done to demean or criticize someone...IMHO that becomes across as kind of sexist. When people comment on Hillary now they aren't just making innocent comments...they are done in a sexist manor to demean her looks...something men don't really have to worry about...so that makes them sexist. Just like when woman lose their jobs because they aren't pretty enough...like movie stars, TV anchors, (Crowley & Mitchel are exceptions) stewardesses etc. Wouldn't you call that sexism? Maybe we should just agree to disagree.

attempt to explain how talking about KERRY'S looks is sexist. :shrug:

including Kerry.

I had the impression you were a feminist.

to YOU? Because to ME it means ugly is how someone behaves. And I replied that Hillary behaves ugly.

about her inside "looks."

so don't go trying to cover up now.

All of your posts in the past were political. Why go there?

I simply defended myself. Please go back and see who brought up my looks first.

and brain too :-)

Brains and Beauty--A winning combination!!

:loveya:

Why this kind of shallow foolishness in the most important election of a generation. Gee, I've heard plenty of women say they think is Obama is "good looking". There. Tit for tat. Now can we talk about the important stuff, like who can win the general election which probably CAN'T be Hillary with her sky-high negatives.

to not read this thread. In fact, you can go start one on the topic of your choosing.

reflected in her outward warmth, one-to-one engagement of the people there, and a woman who radiates charm and character and the good feelings of someone who has done and is doing a good job for her fellow citizens. lots of time general elections are won not by the people who can really win them if elections were to be honest elections, lots of time elections are won by those who can deliver lots on rhetoric though they are short on substance and sometimes elections are won by people who steal them ... too bad some people are not perceptive enough to realize when truth and character shine outwards from the inside of a person's soul, or maybe they do, and because they do they have to find a way to slam it. that is what obama does to hillary. and many other follow his lead.

Her inner light shines!

Not ego, literally. I met Marie Osmond and Heather Locklear. They were so tiny up close that I was amazed. But what really stood out was that their heads seemed out of proportion to their bodies. Little tiny bodies with normal sized (I'm 6'4") heads.

she was very attractive.

This isn't a great pic, but it's from the day a group of us caught her in the hall of the Russell bldg and she stopped to chat with us.

How often does one find a combination of beauty and brains? Also, this country is highly sexist. It's far more sexist than Europe. No one likes discussing that, but it's true. There's a pretense that this country is not sexist, and I hate that because that pretense is meant to shut down all discussion about it. There was a really good article in last Sunday's either NY Times or Miami Herald (I read both and didn't pay attention to which one had the article), which talked about the sexism. In the article it explained that *generally* women tend to be great leaders but that they're judged more harshly and their great acts of leadership discounted. Also, the article pointed out that beauty in women who are leaders works against them. Men are more likely to discriminate or judge harshly a woman leader who is beautiful. If I find the article, I'll post it in DU somewhere.

It was quite an interesting article.

I won't say she's "drop dead gorgeous," but she's very attractive. And I neither know nor care if she's had a facelift. She doesn't use botox, because that freezes areas of the face, and hers is far from frozen...very expressive.

She has an amazing smile and the way she walks is almost queen like. Gotta love her.:*

gorgeous on the inside too..that would make her just about perfect.

caring for other people. Are you that gorgeous on the inside? What's coming out of your mouth is not very pretty.

:D

I remember in the quotes section of Newsweek, way back when:

"I want to speak to you after this rally".......Bill Clinton, to a male student at a college rally holding a sign "HILLARY IS A BABE". :D

...she is a lovely woman. Obama is handsome too, I think.

I don't vote looks at all and no one should - but they are both attractive people, IMO.

I think she's held up really well.

Somebody here awhile ago posted a photo of her that was obviously taken back when she was in college or another younger year. It was - well - the only word that really fits was "ravishing." What an alluring young woman! If that's how she looked around the Yale campus, no wonder Bill forgot his own name when she first spoke to him.

I think Michelle and Barack Obama are also quite attractive.

What I like seeing in Michelle and in Hillary is the beauty of women who are not 20-somethings, and who are not empty socialites who only go shopping and lunching all day. These are real-world women driving on roads that aren't always smooth and well-paved. They're clearly overworked and living in fishbowls. And they're holding up damned well! Elegant, glamorous in a low-key way, nicely-dressed, tastefully accessorized, not overdone, really classy-looking. Professional women of achievement - and look how well they represent us. I've been taking more notice of the way Clinton dresses. I like her colors, the cut of her suits, the necklace and earring choices, etc. Yeah, sounds like frippery, doesn't it? But she's out there in the highest-profile activity imaginable and setting trends and establishing templates for other women - how you can be stylish and still all-business, and how you can still be fashionable without having your outfit wear you. Same with the hair and the makeup. Perhaps she's been coached. Perhaps both of them have sought advice from a stylist for their public images. I wouldn't be surprised, and I wouldn't mind, either. Hell, I'D want some advice from some pro's, too, if I were going to stick my neck out that far.

I remember back when a bunch of us were starting to enter the workforce in the '70's and the standard dress-for-success advice was to "feminize" the men's suit ever so slightly. You didn't dare step outside the basic "credibility uniform." I read one accounting of an executive woman who startled her fellow board members by breaking the rules - she wore a bright pink satin suit with a frilly blouse - GASP!!! to a - GASP!!! business meeting!!! OUTTA UNIFORM!!! OMG!!!! But the point was that she still conveyed an air of total professionalism and credibility. This anecdote was offered as almost a cautionary tale about not pushing it too far and being too girly-looking. But look at the styles of both these women. I'm very pleased with what I see. BOTH Hillary and Michelle are models for the rest of us women as we age, on how to look, how to dress, how to present ourselves in public. I am VERY happy with what I see.

I recently saw an article in one of the grocery store magazines about Hillary - "my worst outfits." It was actually pretty funny. She lambasted her peasant-style wedding dress as the inspiration for Seinfeld's "puffy shirt." She gave her first inaugural outfit - an inexplicable red and blue checked suit - a thumbs-down. A photo of her in a mid-calf shirt-dress included a caption explaining that this was why we now see her in pantsuits all the time.

Granted, this is pretty trivial discussion here. How they look. What they're wearing. Their hair. Their makeup. Their choices. Do they or don't they botox? I really don't care. Both Hillary and Michelle have to appear in public all the time. They have to look good. They're representing SO MUCH MORE than just themselves. In one respect, they're each representing ALL American women at this stage of our life as a nation and a culture. They are us. I'm happy when I see them looking great. They're both seriously attractive women, and they're aging (especially in Hillary's case) with class, style, elegance, and grace. And yes, beauty.

sheeesh.

:thumbsdown:

you got THAT right!!!

After having had eight years of looking at someone (*) who is uglier than sin, both inside and out, we are entitled to a president who not only looks good but works for our ideals.

And let's not even get into four years of putting up with bush sr. RR wasn't good looking, either.

It's time.

Both Clinton and Obama are attractive. Edwards had looks, charisma, and the ability, too.





Cher

So try another one.

An Obamite posted here once that they saw Hillary in person and she looked old and was all wrinkled. Maybe that was their own projection. It's nice to finally hear an objective opinion. I think she's beautiful too. Shows
how some Obama supporters have warped thinking.

The OP didn't say one freakin' word about "supporting" Hillary! sheesh!

yes INDEED

what's wrong with you? It's not collagen.

It's NOT her cheek BONES. It's her cheeks. Duh.

Of course you don't! You just think you know everything. :eyes:

Your posts on this thread are hilarious. :rofl:

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5806861,00.jpg



Sorry she either had work done or has a Hollywood Makeup artist.

for YOUR proof of your crazy claim that everyone in Congress knows 9/11 was an inside job. :rofl:

You want links for me to "prove" my theory, but you think a photo will "prove" yours. FYI- photos are photoshopped every damn day in this country.

Let me put it to you this way, by putting your blind faith in Obama and ignoring all the questionable things he's done and the questionable things he is saying you are behaving EXACTLY like a freeper. Someone who won't allow one negative thing to be said about their hero, even when it's staring them in the face.

I told you to educate yourself for that very reason. Because you won't even acknowledge some serious points about Obama.

You want to stick your head in the sand about 911, Obama and the corruption in Congress.

Instead, god damn it, you MUST tell the WORLD about Hillary's supposed collagen injections!!!

Who gives a flying fuck about it either way?! I could give a damn.

You know why?

Because

A MILLION PEOPLE HAVE DIED AT THE HAND OF A CORRUPT AND COMPLICIT CONGRESS! That's why!

That should matter to you a helluva lot more than some god damn beauty treatments!

That's what I'm laughing at. Your blatant and willful ignorance.

If it wasn't so funny, it would be terribly sad and pathetic.

Actually, on second thought, it IS terribly sad and pathetic.

looks. Are you following me around stalking me? Or do you ALWAYS come post on threads you don't give a damn about? :rofl:

:rofl:

:tinfoilhat:

p.s. So where's your hat with the F on it? :rofl:

I'm no freeper. ANYONE here will tell you that-even those who disagree with me on other subjects.

...so nice try, but no tamalies

I've seen pics of her way back and she's always had big cheekbones

Stop being in denial.

I am NOT "in denial" - I just don't see the cosmetic surgery

president.

The staff in the dermatology office I used to work in poured over pictures of Kerry during the whole "Drudge fueled Botox rumor" period, and we noted that the character lines that any man of a certain age would have: crinkles around the eyes, forehead creases, and smile lines, were still very much intact.

We laughed at the notion that he was using Botox, because if he were, it wasn't working.

The change you saw in Kerry's face during the 2003/2004 campaign was the "plumping" effect of gaining 25-30 pounds after recovering from prostate cancer. He has just as many lines as he should have for a man in his 60's, but after he recovered from surgery and cancer treatments, he gained some weight, his face filled out, the pallor and gauntness that he had when he was sick disappeared, and yes, he looked different, but his character lines were still very much apparent.


Again, even if people are using these products, who cares? There is no shame or harm in wanting to look good, and using the plethora of available products to do so is a pretty common occurrence nowadays. The "does she or doesn't she?" days are behind us. Cosmetic dermatology is thriving and here to stay.

Let's not toss "Botox use" around like it's an insult. It's commonly used, widely accepted, and certainly no sin.

And he definitely had collagen injected on his upper cheek area. Nothing around his eyes changed. Nothing in his forehead changed. But his plumping effect was immediate. It was not natural weight gain.

Like I said, it comes in very small, pre-filled, 1cc syringes and is used in mucous membranes. You would need a vat of it to fill a whole cheek, and it would be all lumpy to boot.

His fuller cheeks were due to wight gain. Not half a cup of collagen.

she's always had the cheekbones. You CAN'T fake that.

the bones don't lie. My mom has high cheekbones and is 81 and nobody thinks she looks 81.

collagen as have her jowels (on the sides of her chin).

LOL

and made it obvious. Her cheeks are now filled so tightly that they're full even when she's not smiling. Look at her jowels, too. Her face is all puffed up to take away the wrinkles.

yup

Seriously.

People can't even fucking compliment her anymore without you people jumping in all over their shit?

You don't for one minute believe what you are typing.

You flail away and rail away on Hillary Clinton's looks and then claim it doesn't matter to you?

What a steaming load of bullshite.

It will be interesting, yet oddly terrifying, to see how low you can go. How much more can you debase yourself as a human being in order to vent your hatred of Hillary Clinton.

Issues. You got big time issues. Huge.

I flail away and rail away? I simply said she has collagen injections in her face. I have NO issues. I DISAGREE with people doing things to change their looks. I think people should be proud of their age.

I think people should be who they want to be. dress how they want to dress and do what makes them feel good about themselves. We're not all perfectly gorgeous like you. And we each have our own style. It's all good, no need to sit in judgement about someone's make up.

appearance with chemicals/injections/surgery.

So, she's got THAT much going for her.


Although, I think Jenmito needs to put her money where her considerable pie-hole is and post a picture. C'mon. Put up or shut up.

'nuff said.

But when it comes time to hold the mirror up to yourself...you got nothing.

And IF you are so breathtakingly gorgeous...why in the hell are you sitting at home on a Saturday night railing away on DU over Hillary Clinton's wrinkles?

Shouldn't you be out on a date or something?

I'm married. I also have MS and am now in a wheelchair but you'd be surprised if I showed you a pic, which I'd never do on a board like this. But I look FORWARD to getting wrinkles and more gray hairs. I'm happy to have lived 40 years and I've never ever worn makeup.

or are you just making shit up?

She has definitely had collagen injections in her face and jowels.

Thanks for playing!

You have no expertise and no evidence, but state your imagination as if it were a fact.

What a great contribution you make to this discussion.

She's the Dr. Frist of the collagen world.

Jesus. This is 45 minutes of my life that I'd like to have back. Back and forth about a middle aged woman who has wrinkles. For gawdsakes.

I know what I see and I went to a plastic surgeon for a year a while ago (for reasons other than plastic surgery) and I saw people who had collagen shots as well as so many other things done. I can spot it a mile away.

Do you actually feel that people HATE you?

What a sad way to go through life. Perhaps you should look inside yourself for the answer.

needlessly because we disagree on which candidate is the best. Nobody in real life hates me in any way.

Sounds like vowels, not spelled like them. ;-)

I knew something looked strange about the word but I don't do spellcheck. My bad.

I don't think Hillary is a great beauty but she is attractive at times some more than others. There have been some lovely pictures of her and she seems "real " to me.

I can tell you from professional experience that it is absolutely not collagen - especially for the use you are describing. Cosmetic collagen comes in small, prefilled syringes - a cc or mL at a time, and is used to plump mucous membranes or sometimes nasolabial folds, (the area next to the mouth) though the preferred filler for that is Restylane, as collagen can be too lumpy to be used in non-mucosal skin. Basically, collagen is most commonly used just to plump the lips.

You can not fill a whole cheek with collagen - the product is not even used for that. It is used for lip plumping, and will have the cosmetic effect of also smoothing lines around the mouth, but cannot, and is not used to plump a whole cheek or lift a jowl.

She may have had laser treatments to smooth her skin, or perhaps Botox to smooth out some frown lines, but she did not use collagen to fill out her whole face.

Even so, we are way past the "hush-hush" days where Botox, lasers, etc. are some big secret sin. They are widely used, extremely common, and no different than any other cosmetic procedure like dying one's gray hair, or getting a facial. There is no harm in wanting one's skin to look nice, and these procedures are nothing to be ashamed of. There is no harm in wanting to look good, and a person is committing no crime in taking advantage of all the wonderful products that are on the market now.

The question should not be "Did she use lasers/Botox/collagen/Restylane/hair dye", but instead "Who gives a damn? She has every right."

for some reason, most women politicians refuse to show their age and get work done. I don't know why...

it CERTAINLY could not be because older men get a free pass while women are called OLD HAGS

Rush Limbaugh: "Will people want to watch a female president age daily before their very eyes?" :o

it does nothing to change it.

just joking ;)

She looks much better than her pics.

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Posted by tishaLA on Sat Feb-16-08 07:03 PM

OK? Here we go. Russ Feingold is speaking, with Sens Clinton and Obama.

Who cares how she looks?!

But when she was younger she was very attractive.

so jealous . . . seriously. Thanks for sharing! I've warmed right up to her.

I'm an Obama supporter with serious reservations about her. But I've met her in person, and she is one fine looking woman. Bill was an idiot in many ways...

"...jaw droppingly attractive..."?

You need to get out more. (And try to find a reputable dictionary that includes the word "droppingly.")

She's one fine woman!

Post your pic! Do it! Do it!

(BTW, I still think she looks gorgeous!)

Yeah BABY....GORGEOUS!!!

Why can't you Obama followers have some sense of decency. You can post whatever you have, just shows your hatred all the more. I expect this shit from the Rush Limbaugh's of the world (and you know what-you fit right in that category). Maybe we should post some pics of Obama's wife, and from what I saw, she isn't at all attractive, but needless to say, we wouldn't go there. You know why-we don't center our campaign on words of hope, and then project nothing but hatred. Hypocrite.

Just askin' if this has any value, substance, or meaning.

:toast:

back in September - I must admit, I was quite impressed with how she looked as well!!! It just gave me further evidence that all of that right wing garbage slamming her looks was nothing more than misogyny-driven ignorance...

*snort*

*snort*

snark. Reminds me to scan this awful picture of Hillary from Der Stern, speaking of wrinkles.

People that "couldn't stand Hillary" were quite surprised, when they met her, by her demeanor and attractive appearance. They found her warm, charming, and surprise, surprise: genuine.

They didn't find her at all haughty, indifferent, or calculating.

The MCM has done it's job well with the electorate. After all, negative spin is almost all we've heard for fifteen years. Hence, the surprise.

(And her husband ain't bad either!) :P

Very petite, and she has a very friendly face. I never thought she was an unattractive woman, but when you see her in person, she really glows.

I remember a long time ago someone telling you that who saw your picture with Kerry. :)

How's it going? Surviving primary season? :hi:

I've always thought she was a handsome woman.

:hug:

and attractive. They didn't expect that and were very pleasantly surprised. Unfortunately, the right-wing talking heads and their enabling media has hammered home this idea for years that she is a nasty, vindictive and cold woman. People that have met her tell a much different tale.

Thank you for this positive thread about Hillary.

The OP wasn't trying to sell you anything, it was just a perception about how she looks and how she comes across in person.

:rofl:

this thread managed to turn into one of the silliest and more meaningless-vitriol-laden of the past day or so. Congratulations to the OP - you sure know how to attract them!

I found a whole lot more to ignore!

:rofl:

you click on one, set the ignore, then hit "refresh" and watch all the "ignoreds" pop up all over the thread. Then you go fill in the blanks...
:rofl:

it's like whack-a-mole, only they don't come back

I've seen several posts here talking about how handsome Obama is. Hell, he IS handsome. He's a great looking man. And I've said so in the past.

But someone posts about how gorgeous Hillary is...and out comes the snark. Sad.

rather, I criticized the shitters

or is even that unacceptable?

This is a woman who is 60 years old. I've seen pics of her in her days as First Lady of Arkansas...and her looks have only gotten better with age.

I remember the pic of her Annie Leibovitz took of her for Vogue...I gasped when I saw that pic. Fabulous!

her eyes are a lite sky blue,her skin looks awesome.

She is petite, pretty, and charming. On top of all that, she is incredibly smart. Not a bad combination.

as proven by how many times she's inserted her gobbldeegook, innuendo, and outright bullshit in this one thread alone because she's so jealous of a good looking woman.

BTW, I agree with you how petite, pretty, and charming the Goddess of Peace is, having had the pleasure and good fortune of meeting her before, myself.

I've had to defend myself ever since. I am in no way jealous of Hillary's looks.

It doesn't matter whether or not you were defending previous of your comments or not because all of your collagen comments were unique and just as caustic as the first one.

or so that you made. lol

That makes 11 total. Edit/Find is just too easy.

If it helped her win, aren't you happy? Geez.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3330745.ece

Mrs Clinton's flawless appearance at the New Hampshire debates kicked off a flurry of Botox and plastic surgery rumours. Her campaign has denied the surgery claims but remained silent on the Botox issue.

Quite a few articles on google...

http://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+clinton+botox&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

about her being so much more petite in person than how she appears on TV. She is simply devine up close and so personable it's incredible. My wife and I met her a few years ago when she gave a speech in Northern NY in front of a packed auditorium. Hillary stayed afterward to meet every single person who wanted to walk up and meet her on stage. She is remarkable, to say the least.

Dam she's pretty.

This one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=IA8Wy51Ionk

Where the "teen band members" are gushing over her dropping out of the band.

It shows the fundamental problem with both her and Bill's approach to governance; they're focused on appearance at the expense of substance.

Both the YouTube ad and the OP use the same approach of trying to sell her as some sort of "idol".

The trouble is, they are Milli Vanilli to Obama's Led Zeppellin.

that Pelosi's achievements had been given more press attention because Pelosi is more physically attractive than H.C. I thought that was a very odd suggestion, as I can't imagine H.C. being considered less attractive than Pelosi.

:shrug:

always has, and I think it really shines through.

k&r!

n/t