Penn's latest comment, let's discuss how much of an idiot this man is

wndycty

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:39 PM
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Penn's latest comment, let's discuss how much of an idiot this man is

Latest From Mark Penn
02.16.08 -- 5:47PM
By Josh Marshall

Mark Penn: "Winning Democratic primaries is not a qualification or a sign of who can win the general election. If it were, every nominee would win because every nominee wins Democratic primaries.�
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/178840.php

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babylonsister

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:41 PM
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1. I saw that earlier; what does that even mean? How else would we

get a nominee? The process needs lots of work, but still... And he's running her campaign? :crazy:

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polpilot

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:56 PM
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22. Hillary's judgment is in question on this choice.

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southern_dem

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:42 PM
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2. huhwhat?

:wtf:

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Renew Deal

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:45 PM
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11. Obviously you don't speak genius.

:evilgrin:

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Hill_YesWeWill

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Sun Feb-17-08 12:54 AM
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37. lol classic! nt

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Teaser

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:42 PM
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3. Hilary would be better served by someone else

Penn is costing her. She needs someone who can spin without sounding like it.
Penn is a transparent spinner.

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thunder rising

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:42 PM
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4. Hillary's best bet is not to remind the Dem voters that she will face a Republican.

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Hill_YesWeWill

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:42 PM
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5. what, I've had way too many rum and cokes to understand that statement!

or maybe it's not me!

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Bongo Prophet

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Sat Feb-16-08 10:26 PM
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31. I am on coffee, cookies and ibuprofen, and it is no better.

She really deserves better than the guys she has surrounded herself with. shame.

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TomInTib

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:44 PM
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6. I would like to join the discussion, but there was a loud explosion here...

and there appears to be brain matter spattered all around my office.

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arewenotdemo

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:49 PM
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16. Koans should only crash your computer, not explode it.

This guy gives the Cheerleader a run for his money.

But that's GOOD.

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TomInTib

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:52 PM
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It was my head that exploded.

I read and re-read that statement.

And to think that those people actually get paid to spout such inanities.

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billyoc

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:44 PM
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7. I've said this before, Penn is driving Sen. Clinton's campaign off a cliff

and picking her pocket on the way down. Six million dollars for statements like that. Really.

I don't support Sen. Clinton's bid for the Democratic nomination, but she does not deserve people like Penn and Wolfson.

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arewenotdemo

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:55 PM
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20. She's obviously not paying him enough.

Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 09:55 PM by arewenotdemo

By all accounts he's Paul Wolfowitz-brilliant.

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WillyT

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:44 PM
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8. WTF !!!

:wtf:

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Tatiana

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:44 PM
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9. What a waste of $$$. n/t

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Renew Deal

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:45 PM
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10. lol

BRILLIANT!!!

:rofl:

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Barack_America

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:45 PM
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12. Everyone knows that mismanagement of campaign funds and strategy...

...Is a hallmark of future greatness as a President.

Is he trying to sabotage her with this statement? How much do you want to bet that he wrote the lyrics to "Hillary 4 U & Me" as well?

Total idiot.

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George_Bonanza

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:45 PM
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13. Translation:

"Hillary's going to end up with FEWER votes, FEWER states won, and FEWER delegates, but she's still the best cuz I said so!"

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loveangelc

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:46 PM
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14. genius.

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Neecy

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:46 PM
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15. By that logic....

Why have Democratic primaries at all? Let's go back 100 years and let twits like Penn decide our nominees, since democracy seems to be a messy thing for a turd like this.

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Occam Bandage

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:50 PM
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17. Losing Democratic primaries, on the other hand, is a sign of who cannot win.

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Diane R

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:51 PM
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18. Can these people BE any more 'entitled'????

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madrchsod

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:52 PM
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19. title of his next book

"how i got my ass handed to me by david axlerod"

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Yael

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:57 PM
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23. LOL!

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mopinko

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Sat Feb-16-08 10:45 PM
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35. coming soon to a remainder table near you.

david axelrod is the man. those guys should give it up.

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Alexander

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:56 PM
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21. Mark Penn. Costing Hillary money and votes since 2007.

Why the Clintons didn't get rid of this sleazebag, and re-hire Carville and Begala who were at least semi-competent campaign managers, is beyond me.

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AZBlue

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Sat Feb-16-08 09:59 PM
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24. It's like he's channeling Bush.

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Hissyspit

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Sat Feb-16-08 10:00 PM
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25. Look, I'm going to defend the man's logic here.

Because he understands that he is using a logical fallacy to support the logic that he is trying to get across to...

Oh, hell. What's wrong with me? Never mind!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0

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backscatter712

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Sat Feb-16-08 10:04 PM
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26. I don't know what she sees in Blackwater Penn.

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1776Forever

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Sat Feb-16-08 10:05 PM
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27. What???? And for this Penn got paid $5 million dollars so far???

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/06/mark-penns-firm-paid-4_n_85192.html

Sam Stein
The Huffington Post

Mark Penn's Firm Paid $4.3 Million By Clinton Campaign

February 6, 2008

(snip)

Through the course of the primary, Penn's consulting firm, Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates, has been paid more than $4.3 million by the Clinton campaign, according to a review of campaign finance filings.

That total, compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, includes receipts for tasks ranging from polling and consulting to mail expenses and even photography. It does not include the $1.5 million the Clinton campaign is in debt to the firm.

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:crazy:

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stillrockin

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Sat Feb-16-08 10:13 PM
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28. That man is singlehandedly destroying Clinton's chances.

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TreasonousBastard

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Sat Feb-16-08 10:19 PM
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29. Is there any reason to listen to this idjit? Does anyone?

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hedda_foil

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Sat Feb-16-08 10:24 PM
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30. Sounds like the internals for Texas and Ohio are looking bad too.

So now the whole nominating process is worthless, huh Penn?

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glowing

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Sat Feb-16-08 10:31 PM
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32. Great that means Edwards and Kucinich are back in? Yippee.

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Orangepeel

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Sat Feb-16-08 10:39 PM
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33. Kind of true. But, not winning Democratic primaries is a sign of not being able to win the GE

Whoever wins ran a better campaign, period.

If either Clinton or Obama can't beat the other, why should anyone believe they could beat McCain? Being able to win the Democratic nomination shows that the nominee has a more resonant message and/or a better ground game and/or a greater ability to raise money for ads. Those are all signs of being better prepared to win the general election, even if he/she does not end of doing so.

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Armstead

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Sat Feb-16-08 10:40 PM
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34. Yes, screw them voters

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Emit

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Sat Feb-16-08 11:01 PM
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36. Maybe he prefers stealing them?

:shrug:

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