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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:25 PM
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Winning by default.
Here is the latest republican email from TX. I truly will not be able to embrace any candidates this year. It is clear to me that Clinton will lose, but not just because an honest race has taken place. I won't be able to vote this time because I have such a bad taste in my mouth. If she had simply lost because Obama was a better candidate or had genuine momentum, it would be one thing. His momentum has been propped up by the republican party and I just can't in good conscience become more involved in the political process this year.

Attention All Texas Republicans and Independents!!

On March 4th, Texas Republicans and Independents will have an opportunity to end Hillary Clinton's (and Bill's) presidential ambitions once and for all!

Since Texas has on open primary, Republicans and Independents should sign in at their polling place and request a Democratic ballot. They should then vote for Barack Obama. Even James Carville admits that if Hillary loses Texas, "she's done!" Republicans can help make this a reality!!! Just think, no more Clintons in the White House!

Voting Democratic this one time will have NO effect on your ability to vote in the next Republican primary or obviously on your vote in November. Since John McCain has the Republican nomination locked up, voting for McCain or Huckabee at this point will have no effect on the outcome on the Republican side.

After you vote during early voting or on March 4th, you ARE NOT done! Report back to your regular polling place at 7PM on March 4th to sign the Barack Obama list for caucus delegates. In a little known Texas voting quirk, 67 delegates to the Democratic convention will be seated because of these caucuses. This is a full one-third of the total number of Texas delegates. For Hillary to lose, she has to lose the primary votes AND the caucus votes. I urge you to vote against Hillary Clinton by voting for Barack Obama.

Please forward this e-mail to all your Republican and Independent friends so that we can help ensure the Clinton's defeat on March 4th!!!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:29 PM
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1. I thought if you declare a party affiliation in the primary, you had to
vote that in the general. Can anyone educate me?
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:30 PM
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2. Nah. There's plenty of people declared one way who vote the other. n/t
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:34 PM
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4. Hah? That doesn't make any sense. In the general, you can
vote for whoever you want.
Otherwise all the republicans would have to vote for republicans only, and all the democrats would vote for democrats only.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:38 PM
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8. Perhaps I worded that wrong; I had to change from Ind. to Dem. when
I voted in the last TX primary for a Dem rep. seat. But you're right, that has no bearing in the general, unless the little 'D' on your voter registration card would be embarrassing.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:41 PM
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13. You don't have to declare party affiliation in states with open primaries.
So, when you vote in primaries, you either go to the D table of the R table to get your ballot. There's no "party registration" in states with open primaries.

Mississippi has open primaries, but our D. leadership has sued to have this changed. A judge ruled that we will have closed primaries (though not at this next presidential election), and he attached a voter ID provision to it. So our D leadership has sued to have the voter ID provision removed...that's what the Rs have wanted for decades.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:45 PM
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15. I don't think the primaries in TX are open, at least they weren't
last year. I'm so not up to snuff on this stuff, obviously.
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:46 PM
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17. Texas has had open Primaries since I started voting in 1976...
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 06:47 PM by texas_indy
http://texaspolitics.laits.utexas.edu/html/vce/0201.html

Officially, Texas has closed primaries. But in practice, any registered voter may vote in the primary of any single party, as long as they have not voted in the primary of another party. Texas's primaries are closed in a less direct way: once a registered voter has in effect declared his or her party affiliation by voting for the nominees in a party's primary, that person cannot participate in the proceedings (for instance, a runoff primary or convention) of another party.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:51 PM
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20. They certainly did when I voted in the 1990s in Texas.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:36 PM
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6. I'm unaffiliated, since I'd be lynched otherwise
Which means I can vote in any open primary. In the general, I do believe you can vote any way you want, including for the martian moon man.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:37 PM
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7. You only get one ballot in the general.
Of course you can vote for whoever you want.
Assuming the person is actually on the ballot.
If you want a martian moon man, you will have to write him in.
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:38 PM
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10. nope, Texas primaries are open and have no impact on who you can vote
for in the GE.

Cross over voting has been very common down here with both sides voting in the others primary to influence the other sides choice.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:46 PM
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16. They are open? Why did I have to change party affiliation? nt
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:50 PM
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19. I've only had to declare for the party if I voted in the primary for the election ... NT
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:51 PM
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21. That's what I'm talking about, the primary. nt
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:53 PM
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22. Right, you have to declare which party you will vote for in the primary only...
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 06:55 PM by texas_indy
then you get a ballot for the party only and then you get your card stamped so you can attend the caucus if you want. But you can switch back and forth every primary if you want.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:56 PM
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24. Yes...exactly.
And people do switch back and forth every primary here.

In Mississippi, MANY Republicans cross over and vote on the D ticket. MANY--because very few local candidates run as Rs. And because they like to pick the D that will face the R in statewide elections.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:54 PM
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23. So that they know whether to send you to the D table or the R table...
You walk in, sign in, they ask you whether you're voting D or R. Then they send you to the appropriate station, either D or R.

That's how it was done in Texas when I lived there in the 90s. It's how it's done in Mississippi, and how it has been done for ages in Mississippi.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:38 PM
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11. Not in the general. No one knows how you vote in the general...
there is one ballot in the general election.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:32 PM
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3. Obama seems to have gotten plenty of support on his own without these
republican tactics. It's not feasible that the number of supporters who attend his rallies and vote for him in the primaries and caucuses are a result of movements like the one you cite.

Don't let Republican games keep you from keeping THEM out of the WH!
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:36 PM
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5. Honestly, I am not surprised. I believe that it's been going on
already. All those people who think Obama is attracting republicans-yea, he is attracting them in the primary.
I am pretty sure they will vote for McCain in the general.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:38 PM
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9. Most Dems are FAR too trusting
Most repubs think were are traitors to the USA- if anyone thinks these people will vote for Obama in the GE, they're smoking something.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:43 PM
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14. Yea, they go on and on how all of the sudden Obama started
getting the republican and independent vote.
Yea, of course he did.
Cause of hate the republicans have for Hillary.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:40 PM
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12. I believe the opposite - those repubs voting HRC now will vote McCain in the General
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 06:41 PM by peacebird
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:49 PM
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18. What's wrong with the DNC ?...let me count the ways/nt
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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:12 PM
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25. *lol* Obvious forgery
but nice try...

I checked with 4 separate friends in Texas who are active Republicans - and get every campaign email there is.

This one is a fabrication. Which it looked like even before I did the check.

Sorry to throw water on the fun.
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 10:50 AM
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29. Here's the source
http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/359
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:57 PM
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26. I have believed and still believe
that Hillary is the candidate they want to face in the fall.

Not Obama.

So no matter that they don't want to see Hillary in the White House, they DO want her on the ballot come November.

I call "Bullshit" on this email unless someone can authenticate that it came from Texas Republican offices or the RNC.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:35 AM
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27. Link? Source? originating address?
Fantasy? Joke?

and how come you end up with it?
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 10:49 AM
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28. Here's the source
I got it as an email from a family member (GAG!!!) who is a staunch republican living in TX. I've mentioned him several times...

You can find it at the Republicans for Obama website:

http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/359

Sorry for the delay in responding. I got busy with my children.
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