Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Survey USA: Obama leads McCain in WI by 10; Clinton loses to McCain by 7

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:05 PM
Original message
Survey USA: Obama leads McCain in WI by 10; Clinton loses to McCain by 7
Obama: 52
McCain: 42

McCain: 49
Clinton: 42

I think we really need to be worried about HRC's electability.

http://www.surveyusa.com/electionpolls.aspx
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:07 PM
Response to Original message
1. Geez, she is showing up really badly against McCain.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Not only here but in other states too. There was a PA poll that had
him well ahead of McCain but Clinton neck and neck.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:09 PM
Response to Original message
3. Not good news for Hillary on the day before the WI primary.
Could be a deciding factor for those that are still unsure.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:13 PM
Response to Original message
4. K & R
:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yurem2008 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
5. Bill is Gasping for air
His restoration is going up in smoke. His last chance to save his tarnished legacy has been blown and Chelsea's chance to hook up with a Washington millionaire a la Jenna Bush is gone too. No wonder Bubba is looking more and more like and angry old man.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #5
19. "Chelsea's chance to hook up with a Washington millionaire a la Jenna Bush"
That is uncalled for.

Chelsea appears to be a perfectly competent young professional and is one of the few Democrats that has a rational reason for supporting Hillary over Obama.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #19
32. Loin and Chelsea... sittin' in a tree...

jeez, why don't ya marry her, already.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:16 PM
Response to Original message
6. Anyone Who Believes For A Second That These Numbers Mean Anything, Is A Naive Political Fool.
The GE campaigning hasn't even yet begun. To think for a second that these numbers would have any merit once the game begins, shows an immense political naivety on the part of the person believing it.

I'm amazed that the media and people here keep posting these numbers as if they mean anything. Do you have any idea how much these things could change once the public is actually FOCUSED on the one on one in the GE and the campaign machines actually begin?

Using these numbers as anything more than to wipe your ass with at this point is monumentally foolish and ignorant. Seriously. It just is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. But...
the more they focus on Obama, the more they like him.

So, it's all good.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Yeah, keep telling yourself that. A consistent 20 point swing in multiple states
in multiple polls, by multiple polling companies.

And by 20 points I mean polls showing Obama beating McCain by 10 and McCain beating Hillary by 10.

Some states have been even worse- Colorado and Nevada for example.

Hillary is toast- the Democratic party is not going to commit political suicide.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. Here:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Translation: Numbers that confirm the massive dislike for Hillary across this nation are bogus...
...because they disagree with OMC's world view.


The citizens of this country overwhelmingly have Bush/Clinton Fatigue.


You hillbots don't see it, because you don't want to.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. Has Nothing To Do With Who The Numbers Are For. If You Weren't So Ignorant You'd Realize That.
Unfortunately, you are that ignorant and think this actually has anything to do with who I do or don't support, which of course makes you look even more dumb.

I know it's hard for many of you these days, since your ability to use critical thinking skills has completely flown out the window, but maybe you should sit back for a second and realize why using these numbers to mean anything right now is just quite simply the mark of an utter fool.

And I'm not a hillbot you brainless twit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. The game has already begun
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 01:23 PM by sampsonblk
Clinton has been out campaigning for quite some time, and she's had plenty of opportunity to shore up her support in each state. So the fact that she's showing up poorly in some states does matter.

It doesn't prove anything for the future. But its good evidence that at present, she isn't getting the job done with voters the way Obama is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #6
20. Could you possibly be any more inflammatory?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. Nothing Inflammatory About It. It's A Completely Factual Statement.
To think those numbers will mean a thing come the thick of the GE, would make one a naive and ignorant political fool. It just does. Those numbers mean diddly squat. Don't get so uppity just cause I call it like it is...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. Here's some more reading material for you, Crime of the Mind
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 03:04 PM by BeyondGeography
as your little corner of Hillbot Nation gets smaller and smaller:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/18/14139/1413/566/459120
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #21
31. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts
You may disagree with a poll result -- but calling those who don't "Naive Political Fools" is simply your opinion and is imflammatory and and judgmental.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:19 PM
Response to Original message
8. In Wisconsin Even! That's downright terrible for her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #8
23. The disdain for her by dozens of people I have talked to is very palpable
Her little attack stunt with McCain on the campaign finance issue is not going to help one bit, either.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. Oh, c'mon, she's still a relative newcomer
People just need to get to know her better. :sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:23 PM
Response to Original message
13. Wisconsin and Hawaii about to join the "United States That Don't Matter".....
...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:30 PM
Response to Original message
15. Inevitable, as in general election loss inevitable
High unfavorables going in, an opposition candidate with the myth of being a moderate, an opposition candidate needing a deep animus of his base of the opposing candidate to bring them to the polls in numbers.

A GE disaster in the making.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
16. Obama's up by 13 over Hillary in WI -- 53 to 40
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
17. K&R
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 01:35 PM by Alhena
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:37 PM
Response to Original message
18. Come on SurveyUSA, enough of these bullshit polls
It's about 8 months before the general election.

How about a Wisconsin primary poll? That would be nice.... hopefully it's coming later today.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. This poll I think is a good Omen for Obama in the Wisco primary.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. I personally don't think it's indicative of anything in the primary polls...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. Well until I see one, I'm going to take it that way :-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. Obama has worked his tail off in Wisconsin
Hillary hasn't done much of anything here, except a last-minute mini-tour. We're no Texas or Ohio, that's for sure- and I'm pretty sure we're not going to count by a comfortable margin.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. I originally thought it woudl be around 57-43, I think it will be more like 54-42.
I
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Obama
He has been In Wisconsion over this last week so is It a shock to think Democrats will think If you
don't spend time here then forget you.People used to say Obama couldn't win but we have state polls
showing Obama winning the blue states of Oregon,Washington State,Wisconsion,New Hampshere,and Pennsylvania,and picking up the red states of Nevada,and Colorado.Plus he Is at the same level of Hillary In Ohio and Florida 2 points behind Mccain.This Is proving what some said about Hillary.If
she Isn't beating Mccain now what makes you think she will move people In a general election.We know
It won't be a cakewalk for Obama but he was not suspose to be where he Is now.So you can't deny he Is a good candiate,and I would love to see a Obama Vs Mccain race.Mccain wants to continue Bush.Obama wants to change things.And Obama Is brillent calling Mccain a hero on his service,and then pointing out how close he Is to Bush,and list all he Is wrong on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:06 PM
Response to Original message
33. kick!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 02:55 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC