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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:18 PM Original message |
Deval Patrick Told Obama To Use His Language, Gave The Text To His Speechwriters, Plagiarism NOT! |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. But, this election is about HOPE, if you bring in FACTS, well then |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. The Lady Who Married the Man From Hope Hopes the New Man of Hope Hopefully Makes a Mistake SOMEWHERE |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. I'm hoping to be hopeful about the current guy from Hope stopping the dope |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
89. Well, then, Mr. Patrick should be running for President. |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. Spin it all ya want...it's still plagiarism if the source is not credited. |
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Windy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. what about yes we can and change? Hillary guilty? n/t |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. Yes we can is not Obama's slogan |
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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Not in a political speech- they are written by speechwriter and advisers |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
61. Speechwriters are acknowledged, and speechwriters do not GIVE those same speeches. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Then, meet Hillary |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Its not plagiarism if you have been given permission to use it aswell been told no credit needed |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Exactly. Let's try that case in court and see how long before the judge throws it out |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. PLUS OBAMA GAVE CREDIT TO PATRICK IN DECEMBER FOR USING HIS LINES |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
42. how many hundreds of times does he have to give credit |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. a rather good question, i'd say he kinda covered himself in december |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. Oh, calm down. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
34. yes your 100% correct and he also didn't correctly identify Thomas Jefferson |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. actually it isn't |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
100. Crap! |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
103. You mean everytime hillary uses a line by a speach writer it is plagiarism? |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. Nothing personal |
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pauldg0 (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
54. Neither one cares a rats as about us..it's about them only.... |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. Since neither Clinton nor Obama seem likely to reach the 2025 elected delegates |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
7. K & R |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
8. Thanks, kicked and recommended. |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
11. No, we can not get back to the issues. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
13. Why is it the truth always hurt Hillary and her supporters |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
95. The Truth!!! |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. That Obama, he's sooooooo |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Yup - he's a regular Martin Luther King Jr. Jr. he is. |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
18. TSK TSK TSK EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. he did say it was other peoples words... |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:15 AM Response to Reply #43 |
69. WHY IS HE USING RECYCLED SPEECHES?? |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
19. kick |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
20. Of course, because its ok to cheat as long as the cheatee says it is OK |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. You need to look up the definition of "Plagiarism", Tarc.... |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep better at night, skippy |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
105. And every word every other politician says is all their own, written by them. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #23 |
62. Mine---The American Heritage College Dictionary---says |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
87. no i am sorry but you are wrong...it doesn't matter if the originator authorizes.. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #87 |
106. And every politician always credits their speech writers |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
97. Absolutely NOT plagiarism. Recycled, unoriginal, like buying a term paper online. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #97 |
120. go right ahead and buy that term paper on line and turn it in.. |
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stahbrett (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
21. This is all that the Clinton campaign can do - desperate times call for desperate measures! (nt) |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
44. she needs to be tossed from the party.. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
22. Of course he did! He also endorsed Obama. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
25. Well then this seems to me that Patrick offered himself as a speech writer? |
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Unbowed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
26. Good post. Finally some sanity. |
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lukebc (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #26 |
63. Clinton = democratic GE candidate = ME voting Green or Peace&Freedom |
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Unbowed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
114. My only problem with doing the same is... |
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kingsbridge777 (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
27. Obama is unauthentic (first campaign finance, now this) |
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Medusa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
28. Bump |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
29. Fight the dirty campaign tactics.... |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Plus Obama in December PUBLICLY announced he was using Deval's lines! |
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CookCountyResident (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #29 |
88. Clinton Plans to Target Obama's Pledged Delegates |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
33. Kicked and recommended. |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
35. That would make a good picture for an Ohio ad. |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. I sent it to the campaign |
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candice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
36. Axelrod is/was the "genius" behind both Obama's and Patrick's campaigns.... |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Do you live here? |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
37. kick |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
40. How DARE you inflict facts upon the latest spin from them? |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
41. i hope clintons followers feel like idiots.. |
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protect our future (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
45. The Hillary people do not care about the truth of the matter. It is because |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
47. kick |
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BringBigDogBack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
48. K&R |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
50. kick |
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Blue_State_Elitist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
51. Whether or not it is plagiarism is insignificant. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:15 AM Response to Reply #51 |
68. it certainly begs the question |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
52. Here's yet another slogan Hillary can try: "Hillary'08. We Got Nothin.'" |
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DesEtoiles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
55. How can you plagiarize something that EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT! Sheesh, Hillary. |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #55 |
90. The point is that Obama is building his image upon his oratory. |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
56. What would you expect Deval Patrick to say? |
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casus belli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Wrong. |
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mckara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
57. The SAME OLD GAME of the Clinton Operation |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
108. I agree. |
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Chasing Dreams (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
59. K&R |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
60. Lots of things more important than this |
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pointsoflight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:28 AM Response to Original message |
64. AND, Patrick is one of Obama's national campaign co-chairs |
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pointsoflight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
65. AND, many of Obama's current themes originated with Obama in 2004. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
66. that still does not answer the question |
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JimGinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:00 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. It Was In Response To Recycled Rhetoric From A Lesser Candidate |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:36 AM Response to Reply #67 |
83. This should be posted again to give everyone a clear picture as to just HOW MUCH was copied |
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pointsoflight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:44 AM Response to Original message |
70. These fools are actually arguing that Obama stole from his OWN campaign!!! |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:59 AM Response to Original message |
71. Thanks Dems |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:02 AM Response to Original message |
72. It has been very disappointing to watch |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
73. It looks like desperation on Hillary's part |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:28 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. It does look like desperation |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
75. It is still plagariasm...if you turn in homework from another with "permission" |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 06:47 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. They all use speechwriters - None of their words are their own |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:04 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Hillary can answer questions on the fly without hesitating. |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:17 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. I believe that Obama used to teach college, he'd give a student an F for that.. |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. He probably would |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #85 |
119. Doesn't matter to me...but the GOP will use these things to derail him. |
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aaroh (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 06:26 AM Response to Original message |
76. its all fair game |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 06:58 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. It's all "the same speechwriter" and two close friends who share ideas and freely give to each other |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 08:27 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Deval Patrick ran his campaign for governor on similar themes to those Obama is using |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
79. OK then, how about if we call it RECYCLING? |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
82. Obamaspin once again! If I borrow a paper, research, speech from someone else |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. So what if you are right |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #82 |
91. But friends often quote one another without even considering attribution. Good grief. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #82 |
94. it is plagiarism! |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Obama did credit Deval on December 21, 2007 and did make attribution to Patrick |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
92. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...... Clinton: Insert Foot in Mouth |
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SunnyDays (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
93. At the very least it takes the gloss off this great "NEW" candidate.... |
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From The Left (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
98. It's a Non-Story Cooked Up By the Clintonistas |
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No Blood for Hubris (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #98 |
109. What, John McCain is a Clintonista? News to me. McCain's all |
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JKaiser (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
99. IT"S still copying.. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
101. It's obviously not plagiarism. |
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Araxen (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
102. THE FACTS DON'T COUNT |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
104. PAthetic that he couldn't come up with his own ideas |
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No Blood for Hubris (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Words DO matter. Ideas DO matter. Hope hype is just hype. |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Abe Lincoln wrote his own speeches and I will accept nothing less |
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DesEtoiles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #111 |
117. then you must find Hillary very disappointing (Yes we will!) |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
110. Hey, do any Hillary supporters want to talk about outsourcing? |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
112. I for one never said it was plagiarmism, |
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angrypoet (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
113. Just absurd |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
115. kick |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
116. Political speeches are in the public domain |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. It's the Stupidity, Stupid |
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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-20-08 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
121. The scandal blew up in Hillary's face. It's over. |
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