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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:21 PM Original message |
Reminder: Hillary Clinton voted AGAINST banning cluster bombing of civilian areas. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. Obama voted FOR that ban as did MOST DEMS at the time of that vote. |
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mathewsleep (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. ha! |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I've posted this information here before and Clinton DU'ers literally have told |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. how can people justify cluster bombs |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. They told me it was an "invaluable tool" in our military arsenal to which I replied: |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. There's really very little value to us in cluster bombs these days. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
41. That's correct. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. I thought the shock and awe would not lead to civilian deaths? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
61. POT MEETS KETTLE. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Other senators voted "yea" first? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. huh? The Senate record doesn't say who voted first |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. Biden and Dodd voted Nay too |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. Another case of very poor judgement. nt |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. One of the least defensible votes in Hillary's entire career. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. ITA |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think that she might be agreeable to using them in Texas now. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. I will never forgive her for voting for cluster bombs! |
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Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. K&R |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
10. Don't forget Southern Lebanon, a more recent example. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Yes, an estimated 16 dead and 180+ injured just since the end of the Israeli bombing in 2006. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
77. UN estimates 1MILLION unexploded "bomblets" in region w/ 650,000 people |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
15. Hillary, a bit hawkish.. see below |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. Deserves its own thread. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I've made a few with links to specific fpif articles, it's awesome that people are keeping this |
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randr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
17. Correct me if I am wrong |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. She specifically opposes the land mine ban, actually. nt |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
20. Biden and Dodd voted against banning them too. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. All of which justifies using them on civilians... how? |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. It does not justify it, just as |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. You're strawman arguing. Show how not using cluster bombs on civilians puts soldiers at risk. |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Cluster bombs are dropped on verified |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. I was in the infantry for ten years and commanded troops in combat |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. It HAS happened. I have no disregard for civilian life. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Got to call BS along with Leopolds Ghost there |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Read above. nt |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
79. None of which is a justification for using cluster bombs. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. If you are a religious person, innocent American children do NOT come before Iraqi children |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. The amendment had to do with SELLING cluster bombs to |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Thanks |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
42. we should drop cluster bombs on kids to protect our soldiers? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Worse yet (as if that were possible), they're a danger to soldiers |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. Cherry pick much? |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. then what did you mean when you said this? |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Tell me....if it comes down to my child |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
47. This is why no war should be gone into cavalierly |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. I'm sorry, but... Fuck this defense of murder |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. Show where I said it was needed. |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. Thanks for the info |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. Thank you. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
45. Sorry, but that doesn't cut the mustard for me. |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. That is why we should be going after the BFEE |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. That I can agree with. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:52 AM Response to Reply #57 |
69. Well that isn't going to happen unless we take control in 2008, and even then I doubt it /nt |
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Unbowed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
23. These are the senators who voted for the ban. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Notice that many of the Democratic veterans voted against it |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:21 AM Response to Reply #37 |
65. even feinstein... hillarys the worst now. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 04:01 AM Response to Reply #65 |
73. feinstein introduced it. /nt |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. wow |
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Unbowed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #37 |
75. Yup. And most of the most progressive Democrats at that. n/t |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
68. Feinstein introduced this, and that says volumes if she found a problem with it |
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Unbowed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Too many assholes, IMHO. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. excellent way to express it. I could not have said it better /nt |
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riverwalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
25. Princess Hillary is no Diana |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
26. My god... I forgot all about this... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
27. This what Hillary does for women and children. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
29. It was considered a WAR CRIME to area-bomb civilian areas when HITLER did it. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
32. Amazingly, some wacko Shillbot DUers have defended her vote. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
35. ClintonCo: Winning hearts and minds, one body at a time. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
40. sick, what is wrong with her |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:53 AM Response to Reply #40 |
70. not only her, EVERY republican, and about half the Democrats |
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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
49. How disgusting |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
54. It's one of her most shameful votes, and most indefensible. |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
59. Cut Hillary some slack, it's probably one of those things she never reads... |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
63. Horrible. This is a big deal. We can put an end to this if we elect |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
64. but hillbots love her policies so much.. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:31 AM Response to Original message |
66. kick |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:34 AM Response to Original message |
67. If that is true, that is a big deal. Why did it take so long to come out? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:53 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Cause they didn't want you to know? |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:54 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Thank goodness for the internet, and DU /nt |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. It's always been out there, it just hasn't been talked about much. |
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