Al Queda is scaring the shit out of everyone a la Hitler

Provoked or unprovoked....no matter who was/is at fault...Al Queda is using the same fear tactics that Nazi's used, terror, surprise, and the basic instinct to stay alive....and how easy it is to get folks to knuckle than to fight.

Europe is good at knuckling under and then crying for help...history repeating itself......El Queda I am sure, know it and believe that we can all be scared shitless into caving in to them.

Let Spain be a sample of what happened to Poland!!!!

of how fear can take over people's everyday lives.

When good men stand by and let evil men have their way..edmund burke

that every euro and soldier tied up in Iraq was one diverted from the suppression of Al Qaeda is a far better explanation of the poll in Spain.

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Al Queda is playing the part of the Communists who supposedly burned down the Reichstadt.

If the Spanish government hadn't lied about ETA being behind the bombings, they would have probably gotten re-elected.

The rest of the post is sort of jumbled right-wing rambling smearing Europe, and I don't think it's worth responding to.

not Iraq. And they had the courage to vote in a leader who wants to do the same thing. How is fear taking over their lives?

"Zapatero said his immediate priorities would be fighting terrorism and a more "pro-European" foreign policy."

And he isn't just pulling out his troops.

"Zapatero, due to take office within the next month, repeated several times on Monday his campaign pledge to pull out troops unless the United Nations takes charge in Iraq by mid-year..."

And this might interest you. What kind of Socialists are these!!

"But in a nod to investors in Spain, Zapatero lined up well-known free-marketeer Miguel Sebastian as his chief economic adviser. Sebastian is tipped to take the economy ministry."

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=476294§ion=news

Doesn't exactly sound like the kind of far-left victory some DUers seem to think it is.

Those analogies are absolutely false.

I suppose then you would say that voting out Bush would be "knuckling" to terrorists?

See, Germans outside of Germany actually had legitimate problems. It is Hitler's use of those problems for his expansionist, nationalist, imperialist, militarist agenda that created WWII. If you really need an analogy, although I think more often than not, historical analogies are simplistic propaganda and nothing more.

OnEdit: It would be much, much more appropriate to say that the Spanish RESISTED knucking under fear, and that us Americans are collective cowards for letting our leaders wreak death and destruction over false pretenses, and their lies don't bother us, all in the name of fear.

Bushie got us into; and got us good. I hate the Repubs with a passion...fear tactics work; that's my only point; there is a heavy denial of just what El Queda would like to do with the Western Civilization and just cause the Crusaders were nasty a real long time ago; is this anyway to be?

I've seen better thought out posts on FR

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Most of Europe was for fighting terrorism but against the Iraq war, which had nothing to do with 9-11. Two totally different things.

As far as I know, several European countries have soldiers fighting in Afghanistan.

without the terrorist action.

The Aznar government was going down, anyway.


One possibility is that this was a desparate attempt to create a 9/11 situation, blame it on the Basques and have the kind of public opinion turnaround that bushler got from his riechstag fire. The Spanish people are too smart to buy into this kind of psyop and voted even more definatively to repudiate the warmongering Power Elite prevaricators.

Who the hell is Al Queda anyway? Al CIAeda?

to mismantle democrasy.

Spain did not yield to the terrorists. They dumped a bad leader who participated in an illegal war.

"Let Spain be a sample of what happened to Poland!!!!"

This is a most insensitive post. Are you actually advocating the invasion and takeover of a soveirgn nation just to say "I told you so?" Have you any idea what actually happened in Poland in WWII?

get thee to a history book and some sensitivity training pronto

Europe and particularly Spain are not knuckling under to terror. Fear has taken over here in the USA; in Spain they voted out fear. We would be well advised to follow their lead.

the Busheviks are making!!

The truth is, it's the US government that reminds one most legitimately of Hitler.

Al Qaeda is nothing but a little group of religious reactionaries that arose under the nurturing of the Carter (a DEMOCRAT, please notice!) and Reagan administrations. What they are doing is not nice, but it cannot be understood in isolation from the many & far more serious crimes of the US government (under both parties).

called a nazi or a or a war monger or a Bushevik or anything else. 3,000 folks died, and I don't blame anyone more than the people who did the frickin' thing....that's whose really to blame; where is the accountabiity, that muslim extremists are killing innocent people.

The danger posed to the world by Al Qaeda is a mere pittance compared to the danger posed by your own government.

Don't believe the hype. You're just spreading the propagandist lies.

to go around; how to stop all of them is the question and I hope that the will of the people prevail in stopping them.......I still think that terrorism is a real threat but hey thats just my opinion.

exercise their democratic rights and vote to replace an unpopular government with a new popular one, that means they are knuckling in and caving to terrorists.

Are you saying that Spain's electing a new government is somehow comparable to Poland being invaded by the Nazis? Do you expect that Spain under it's new government is going to be comparable to Poland under Nazi occupation

Are you going to make the arguement that if this country elects Kerry in November, that will mean that we have knuckled under and appeased the terrorists? Will America under Kerry be like Poland under Nazi occupation?

It seems to me that the governments that are using Al Quaeda as a boogyman, and using it as a justification for curtailing liberties and invading other countries are really the ones that are using Nazi tactics.

And in case you're planning on suggesting it, no I am not in any way excusing or minimizing the actions of the terrorists.

I honestly can't make much sense out of your post, I'm just trying to figure out what exactly you're trying to say. Maybe you could try to clarify a little.

thing, and I would like to see the little Texas bastard out so the Dems can perhaps straighten out everything we busted up like a bunch of "hooligans", a la Beer Hall Putsch, and I don't consider Bush and his band of thieves anything more than that, a bunch of thieves and liars that this country has never, ever, ever, seen before.

Its a brave new world.

of not answering a single question or critique that I had concerning your original post.

I still havn't got the foggiest idea what you're talking about.:)

Bush's invasion of Iraq has inflamed terrorism and made everyone less safe. It was a bad idea and it's only gotten worse. I'm glad Spain woke up and realized how wrong it is to be party to Bush's insane unilateral military domination of the rest of the world.

Terrorism will ebb when ordinary people feel empowered, not when the last boot is crushing down on the last neck of the last terrorist in the world.

The Spanish people overwhelmingly opposed hooking up with President War-Hardon. Now their electoral process has reaffirmed that opposition.

Good for the Spanish.

Look for your local nutball PNAC Congressperson to try to pass a law renaming Spanish Fly "Freedom Fly" any day now.

Wow, you are drawing some serious conclusions.

First, of course fear might have had a role after a terrorist attack.
But what made it worse for many was that the Government tried to lie to the people by putting the blame on the ETA.
TV stations were ordered to follow the Government's line.
People wanted the truth about that tragedy and they got damn angry when they realised that the Government wasn't revealing the thruth and that they mislead them.
And they kicked them out.
Your post seems to buy the rightwing meme that terrorists won because people voted for the opposition party. I disagree with that stance.
Terrorists win when you deem their actions successful.


"Europe is good at knuckling under and then crying for help...history repeating itself......El Queda I am sure, know it and believe that we can all be scared shitless into caving in to them."

I find that part very offensive. People in Europe like in the US gave their lives and fought for their freedom often enough.
Many states in Europe had problems with terrorists and I'm not only talking about Al Quaeda.
Where I'm coming from, the stand "We don't negotiate with terrorists!" instead of "How many stinger missiles do you want?" won. The terrorists might have caused fear but the country didn't cave in, we remained hard, they couldn't achieve anything and we beat them.
I consider some of your assumptions and generalizations very ignorant.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

http://www.great-quotes.com/db.cgi?&uid=default&Author_First_Name=Edmund&Author_Last_Name=Burke&mh=10&sb=4&so=ASC&view_records=View+Records

and he also said

"no war can be long carried on against the will of the people."

http://www.thinkexist.com/English/Author/x/Author_1347_1.htm

Edmund Burke's sayings are what I meant; I just didnt' have time at the time, to check out the exact words.....but I mean them all the same in their proper context.

It takes a lot of will to win a war.....I want my freedoms to remain intact; while they can, voting Democrat is nothing new to me.

I never voted for a Republican so screw it all. Ill bet half the people here voted the moron in and NOW they are pissing and moaning.

However, if you are right that it's half, that's a good thing because it means we have a lot of converts to our side.

all the "converts" the Dems can get; but you cannot diss that people do have fears, real and imagined and people tend to react to both; like Prez Clinton is gonna turn the whole country into cheating philanderers.....most already are; and the ones that pointed the most are the ones that were the worst.

We have nothing to fear but fear itself....

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founding of DU. It was started due to the seething rage of the Admins after the 2004 SElection. They had no idea that there were so many out there who felt as they did.

Half the people here voted for *??? Can I get some of that stuff? Is is legal? Which spam do I have to look at to find it?

There are a few converts who have come over from the dark side, but most of us are lifelong Dems.

You have got to be having a laugh on us, because surely you aren't serious.

What is Al Queda? Who is it ? Where is it? What's its flag and government and population?

It's anyone, anywhere, anytime, and Bu$hCo is using that idea, that "perfect enemy," to frighten the sheeple into a quivering, gelatinous blob that can only whimper "The terrorists! The terrorists!"

Sadly, because of the way that the U.S. has conducted itself in the world in the century past, there are indeed some people who would like to take the U.S. out. But that fact should not be used as a crowbar to get leverage on mass fear.

Hitler murdered innocents.

Al Quaeda has murdered innocents.

They're both bastards.

That was my exact point and I am glad you have made it understandable in a way that most folk can understand!!!

Al Qaeda and this stupid fucking war on terror that should have been a criminal investigation. Bush would have been shitcanned or resigned by now if it wasn't for this war shit.

Now why do I think that things were planned that way?

If Gore had been elected instead of the chimp, and I DID vote for Gore and not the Green Party or anything else, fearing the chimp from the get go.

Of course Gore would have dealt with whatever in a totally different way. Gore may not have been everyone's cup of tea, buuut, he is articulate, bright, thoughtful, experienced, diplomatic and has integrity.

I don't think for one minute that things would have turned out the way they did, had the Dems been re-elected.

Shame on the Supreme Court.

The Spaniards know how to fight Al-Qaeda. They were on the ground in Afghanistan, and lost 62 soldiers in a plane crash.

There was no caving in. They sensed that their government was pulling a George Bush on them and they took the proper measures. Kudos to them. If only our people were intelligent enough to smell a rat when our government tried to displace blame for an Al-Qaeda attack on our population, we'd have had Bin Laden by now.

:toast:

it's BUSH and his regime who is using fear in ways that are exact replicas of Hitler's rise to power.

The good thing is that Europeans, having learned from their tragic history, and from their own experiences with terrorism, are STANDING UP TO THE EVIL IN WASHINGTON!!!

When good men stand by and let evil men have their way: That's exactly what the Europeans, most recently the voters of Spain, are NOT doing!

And thank god for that!

Now it's our turn to get rid of our Hitler wannabe and his reign of evil.