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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:41 PM
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He never looks her in the face
and if she looks at him, he looks away

a really rude actor
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:42 PM
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1. Want a hug?
:hug:
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:42 PM
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2. How dare he! That changes my vote, right there!
:sarcasm:
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:45 PM
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14. That was going to be my response.
But, I'm afraid to plagiarize you. Darn.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:42 PM
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3. maybe he's shy
:blush:
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:45 PM
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17. no...he isn't shy....HE IS A JERK
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:18 PM
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38. He didn't call her after their last debate!
Isn't that just like a guy?

What a pig! boo hoo hoo hoo ....
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:18 PM
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39. no kidding
im sick of his rude "lets be decent" crap. He has the arrogance to respond to crappy canned xerox lobs.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:29 PM
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48. Leave Hillary Alone
or wait no..

Look At Hillary in the Eyes!!!
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:00 PM
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74. she kept staring at him, and it looked like a smirk and a glare
surely thats not what she intended. Maybe that is what he was trying to avoid.

Plus, he was being respectful, she was talking and he wasn't interfering.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:42 PM
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4. yes he does, although I feel sorry for him having to do that
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:42 PM
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5. Aww.
:hug:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:43 PM
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6. And SHE reached out to him and made him shake her hand.
She's got class.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:12 PM
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29. Huh?
He put one hand on her back and initiated the hand shake with the other while she was stating how honored she was to be sitting next to him. It looked like mutual appreciation to me, verbal on Hillary's part, physical on Obama's.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:22 PM
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43. you mean after attacking him and getting booed for it?
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:43 PM
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7. Sure sign of a liar -- he won't look into her face
That, or shame at his passive aggressive dirty attacks.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:19 PM
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40. i dont look at liars either.
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 10:19 PM by mkultra
no need
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:43 PM
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8. He's too busy staring at the machine attached to her back
like Dubya had during the debates in 2004. Watch him - he's looking right at that same area.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:58 PM
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72. LOL
:rofl: thanks, I needed that.
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ohioliberal Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:44 PM
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9. It's because he's afraid of her...Be VERY afraid!!!
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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:44 PM
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10. If he looks her in the eye
he might not see the dagger heading towards his back (from the new Hill 527 hit squads)
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:31 PM
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49. Don't be silly
If he looks her in the eyes, he turns to stone.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:44 PM
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11. That's one way to read it...
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 09:45 PM by polichick
Another is that he knows how to keep his focus and not get sucked into any psychological games.
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Tummler Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:44 PM
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12. "Gaze long into the abyss, and the abyss gazes into you." -Nietzsche (n/t)
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:45 PM
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13. I'm sure you like to smile at people who attack you daily
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:45 PM
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15. Or maybe he just doesn't like looking at people in the face...
because he is trying to compose his thoughts. I do that. Does that make me a liar or a rude actor?
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:45 PM
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16. this is why debates are so fucking stupid
because people stop focusing on issues and start focusing on eye contact, who has a trimmed pinky finger, whose smirk looks like shit, and what fucking tie somebody is wearing

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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:46 PM
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18. OMG!
He's sitting right next to her, he's looking at her all the time.

What do you want him to do? Pull his chair around so he can get in her face?

This is what Clintonistas are reduced to? Griping about stagecraft?

More evidence that Obama is going to be the nominee.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:10 PM
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26. They have no shame
Emotionally Invested They Are!

Oops sorry for the yodaspeak.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:46 PM
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19. she stares at him like she's ready for a prison yard fight
it's scary.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:17 PM
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37. Kind of like how Bush stared at Kerry. nt
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:47 PM
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20. Good lord, she trys to stare him down like a cat on a songbird
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:47 PM
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21. I think she got his anger up - he looked a little flushed and unhappy.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 09:59 PM
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22. more often than not ... when people cannot look at you straight in the eye, they haven't been
playing fairly to you. in other words, they have somehow been stabbing you in the back.

and, i have my theory of just how obama has done that to hillary. his non-verbal message which you have pointed to ... may just corroborate my own theory.
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dog_lovin_dem Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:08 PM
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25. Actually, I can relate to his desire
to not look her in the face. When someone has been stabbing me in the back, and I am in a situation where I can't avoid that person, I , too have a hard time pretending to like them. Therefore, I choose to avoid eye contact. As a mental health therapist, I consider his avoidance absolutely normal behavior.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:14 PM
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31. i too am a mental health person ... and i consider his not looking at her a sign of his being the
one who has stabbed her in the back. notice how snooty like he looks at her when she is not looking at him. and, as a mental health person, if someone has been stabbing me in the back, i look at them directly and ask, is there anything that i have done to you that you would like to talk to me about?
it would help me a great deal to understand what's going on if you could explain.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:17 PM
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36. I'm a computer programmer
and your analysis does not compute.
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dog_lovin_dem Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:36 PM
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59. Oh well...
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 10:45 PM by dog_lovin_dem
to each his/her own. Depends on the situation, I'd say. After being smeared repeatedly, many people tend to use avoidance to deal. Not at all unusual.

on edit: I have a sociopathic family member who I cannot avoid...in this situation, I find myself avoiding eye contact. With clients and "normal" friends/family, I would respond as you would.
I have also noticed that many others also avoid making eye contact with persons with personality disorders, or those who have made them angry repeatedly. I'm not saying Hilary has a personality disorder! Don't mind me...it's PMS time!
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:44 PM
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61. Saw Republican on CNN
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 11:01 PM by Moochy
using the OP's talking point... hmmm.

( on edit clarified the talking point was the OP's not dog_lovin_dem's! :blush: oops! )
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dog_lovin_dem Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:53 PM
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67. Now I remember why I am a lurker!
I've been here for 4 years and am proud to be a Democrat all the way. This place used to help keep me sane.
Back to lurking I go. :)
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:55 PM
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69. Would it help if I told you i replied on the wrong spot
I meant to reply to the OP :( sorry.. the repbulican i saw on cnn was just saying that it seemed odd that he couldnt look her in the face. sorry.
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dog_lovin_dem Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:59 PM
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73. Yes! Thank you!
I think I'm gonna hide awhile longer, but I appreciate your reply. :D
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:00 PM
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23. Quite a comment of substance.
Not! Obama was nothing but a gentleman to Hillary this evening. Every time he was gracious she shat in his face. I can not even entertain your thought of rudeness. Way off base.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:08 PM
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24. That is simply not true.
Stop making shit up.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:11 PM
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27. Maybe he's ashamed of his lies about not being a Muslim
And an al-Qaeda sleeper agent.

And a plagiarist.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:13 PM
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30. Don't forget his UnPatriotic Wife!
She Hates America dontchaknow?
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:16 PM
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34. And neither will say the pledge of allegiance!!!
I got an email that told me all about it!

He's probably Taliban ... and that Michelle ... AQ for sure ...
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:51 PM
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65. and he got sworn in on the Koran....
I heard it all from Hillary's campaign....

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail.
The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:12 PM
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28. That is NOT true
I saw him look her in the face several times.

I guess we all see what we want to see.


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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:14 PM
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32. True dat. Lookee here:
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:16 PM
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33. I think there was a spider on her face
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:22 PM
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42. lol
is that a "nothing to lose reference"?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:25 PM
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46. Yes you get the obscure reference prize :)
T. Paul: There's a spider on your head.
Nick Beam: What?
T. Paul: There's a spider on yo head.
Nick Beam: Look, I'm sorry, I'm not up on all this jive talkin', home boy lingo, what's that supposed to mean? "There's a spider on your head"?
T. Paul: It means there's a spider on your motherfuckin' head, man!
Nick Beam: Well get it off! GET IT OFF! GET IT OFF!
T. Paul: I ain't touchin' that shit!
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:55 PM
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that is the funniest scene in the whole movie
especially with his shoes on fire while he jumps around to the scatman. It was like a truckload of comedy components coming together for critical comedy mass.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:16 PM
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35. Your pic IS NOT FROM TONIGHT'S debate
nice try


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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:22 PM
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41. No. But the OP is not referring exclusively to tonight either. So, no try. Making the point
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 10:25 PM by robbedvoter
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:32 PM
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50. i have seen that before--don't like it.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:35 PM
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57. lol. silly nt
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:23 PM
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44. Its cuz he hits women
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:23 PM
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45. i do that to dogs as well
When you train a dog, you don't look them in the face. You direct their attention to remain on you, thus forcing you to be their focus.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:25 PM
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47. Number One: He's talking to us not her.
Number Two: Who gives a rat's ass. :dem:
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:33 PM
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51. Well...to do so would turn him to stone. He needs a shield to gaze upon her reflection.
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Matteon Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:34 PM
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52. He looked her in the face
And put out his hand for her to shake.

He also looked in her direction whenever he referanced her in his answers.

No reason to get too nitpicky.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:34 PM
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53. umm.. tells me lot. Thanks, as i was not watching
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:35 PM
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54. Maybe he's afraid of getting soft and chivalrous
Obama seems like a genuinely nice guy. I'm sure he doesn't enjoy pwning Clinton in every debate.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:35 PM
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55. It's called lack of respect....arrogant and self-involved....
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 10:39 PM by Gloria
It's one of those Bush-qualities that are so inspiring....

His flirtation with misogynist comments recently also is very endearing...not! I can't stand this guy....
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:35 PM
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56. I know. I hate that.
And he pretends to be writing something in order to avoid looking at her as she speaks. Clinton at least looks at Obama when he talks, like she's actually listening to what he's saying. Like what he's saying is worth listening to. It's just basic respect & courtesy.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:36 PM
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58. He's a snob just like the vast majority of his supporters
on here have been.
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Mr.Fitzgibbons Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:37 PM
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60. I noticed this and it bothers me -- it's rude. n/t
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:49 PM
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62. A. Yes, they did look at each other, face to face a suitable number of times
B. This is lame, just lame that you're actually bringing this up. I mean really, out of all the possible things that you could focus on:eyes:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:50 PM
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63. camera angle,perhaps? n/t
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:50 PM
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64. He really looks at her as if he is much better than her....
I don't know if it's his attitude towrds women or just towards Hillary.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:52 PM
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66. Someone on CNN said that SHE never looked at HIM...
Seems it's pretty much in the eye of the beholder.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:53 PM
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68. I see that Armchair Psychoanalyst Underground is in full force on this thread. nt
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:55 PM
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70. Anyone think she looks at HIM too much?
Literally everytime Obama says something, she'll turn her head in his direction and stare at hime the entire time. I believe it is actually a debate tactic.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 10:57 PM
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71. it makes no sense that he should....
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 10:58 PM by stillcool47
not gaze fondly into the eyes of one who has run such an honorable campaign....

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.

Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."



Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

..........This Is My Personal Favorite

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail


A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail.
The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs



Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance

By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


Source: Hillary Adviser Harold Ickes Tells Surrogates To Refer To Super-Delegates As "Automatic Delegates"
By Greg Sargent - February 12, 2008, 11:43AM

In a sign that the spin war over the significance of super-delegates is underway in earnest, Harold Ickes told assorted Hillary supporters on a private conference call yesterday that the campaign wants them to start referring to super-delegates as "automatic delegates," according to someone on the call.

The person I spoke to paraphrases Ickes, who is spearheading Hillary's super-delegate hunt, this way: "We're no longer using the phrase super delegates. It creates a wrong impression. They're called automatic delegates. Because that's what they are."

The worry appears to be that the phrase "super-delegates" implies that "they have super-powers or super influence when they don't," the source says, describing Ickes' thinking. In other words, the phrase suggests that they have greater than average clout and that they have the power to overrule the democratic process, giving it the taint of back-room power politics
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php

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75. My god, Obama was right!
Silly season is here!

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