This Obama Supporter Says Hillary Closed With Power Tonight.

No, I'm not changing my support, but I would have to give the edge to Hillary in the debate because of her very powerful closing comments.

And as a Democrat, I was very, very proud of both of our candidates tonight.

And Obama's was very weak.

McCain better start praying for fewer debates.

As a Democrat, tonight I was very proud of Barack and Hillary and, like you, either will "blow McCain away."

... but, unfortunately, poor debate performances haven't seemed to hurt the Republican candidate the last 2 election cycles -- and we'll be up against the media favorite, yet again, this election season. Regardless of who our candidate is, they'll be going against The Maverick(TM) and The War Hero(TM), and will have a very hard row to hoe.

CNN has seemed to support Hillary . . .

Anyhow, at the end of EVERY debate, the moderators have asked the audiences to give ALL of the participants a hand and the audiences have responded with great fantastic applause - for everyone.

Tonight, it seemed that CNN gave the signal for the audience to clap because it was the end of the debate and both candidates were through. They didn't wait until Hillary's applause had ended and so it looked like Hillary was getting a monstrous applause. I recall seeing Obama turning his head as if to wonder what was going on to his right...

It could have been an accident that CNN did it, or maybe on purpose so that people would think that Hillary knocked it out of the park.

Really, what she said did not merit all that applause. She said that she wakes up every morning to give back to people some of what she had been given. Think about it.

that standing O was Not hers. some may think it was.

It was good speechin' but only good, not great. I sort of quit paying attention near the end of it.

It seemed clear to me that the applause at the end was for both of them.

Clearly the applause was for both candidates. They both did very well. And Hillary's closing comments were magnificent.

Well done!

:thumbsup:

a little bit like a goodbye - like she knows it is almost over for her campaign.

Oh yeah. I believe that. :eyes: I think she stunk up the place. Another non-answer answer. Obama told the truth and talked about something real to him. She spent her time blowing smoke up our asses.

divisive enmity here. It's certainly your right, I guess, but I do remember that you were once thoughtful in your oppositions. Now your posts look like so much of the chaff here.

:eyes:

I don't like her. She lies. She cheats. She is surrounded by corruption. She'll say anything. I didn't believe a word she had to say. I will never change my opinion of her. I don't forget what she did in Iowa and Nevada. I don't forget the racist attacks her campaign engaged in. I know she authorized it, because she went into attack mode tonight. She does it over and over and over. I don't believe honesty and lies can come out of the same mouth. Just the way I am.

I thought she was great there. I'm an Obama supporter but I thought she did well. In fact if she won I think she'd be a good pres. I do think like Kerry in 04 general she's been hampered by a less than good campaign.

and gracious of you.

she got slammed on IWR

months ago. Obama showed substance, which showed her to be making false attacks, and that's all people are going to remember out of that debate.

I don't remember a word she said in that "powerful" closing.

That would be the 'unsappy' part.

And if you listen to the media spin on CNN, not good enough for Hillary.

Her crying over the war dead........in reference to a war that she voted to authorize wins no point for me. Not even a good delivery.

Clinton's closing statement was excellent.

But, I think that people who bothered to watch the debate will not be hugely swayed by that one statement, but will weigh the rest of the debate as well. Also, I'm not sure if her good final statement is as soundbite-able as the Xerox comment, and that one won't play well for her.

The thing is, MSM is focusing on the WRONG PART of her closing that went over well. It was NOT the overplayed story about her concern for the "wounded warriors" that impressed me with its authenticity; it was prior to that - where she took down the facade for a moment and admitted to "the crises" that "we" (the American public) all know she has suffered. It was THAT rare moment of honesty and disclosure, a clear reference to the Lewinsky debacle, that impressed me. I can't remember ever hearing her or Bill mention it without being forced to, and certainly not since it ended and they had to face up to in a limited number of fora during his presidency.

and not only that, but that his ideas are better than hers and that he's actually accomplished more than she did. By proving that he does have substance, he also proved she's making false attacks again. I think he buried her.

This constant up and down with the blood pressure can't be good for me. The second I saw Dan Abrams I switched it off. :)

Throw away the salt.

My blood pressure goes up on occasion, so I do take a small amount of medication. I don't even eat salt so I don't know what it's from. But I'm actually working on some photo restoration and I know if I turn on something boring I won't be as distracted. You can almost write these pundits scripts for them anyway.

and the applause was for the end of the debate, some may think it was for her.

She did well at the end. I think that she has been really overthinking herself and letting her handlers control far too much, and not tapping in to more of that sincerity.

Talk about ideas and values not programs -- that's Lakoff for you.

lol

....she knows.


She knew going in... but she REALLY knows now. Obama looked like a President to people, and that is all he needed to do.

but overall, I don't think she gained much from the debate. I think he might have actually gained more, because he exceeded expectations (including mine), demonstrated a command of the issues, and took on some of the arguments against him in a way I haven't seen before.

It sounded like a goodbye.

I think she sees the writing on the wall.

But, again, we have plenty to be proud and excited about, no matter which triumphs. They both make McCain look like the tired, old, stale fellow that he is.

I think she sort of realized she didn't do as well as she needed to. There was a poignancy in her tone towards the end and a graciousness I haven't seen from her in a long time.

Hey, I am supporting Obama but if Hillary had campaigned all along like she did in her closing statement I think she might have blown Obama away before he ever could have gotten up a head of steam. It was the "vision thing" that has been missing from her campaign all along.

Her campaign is run by idiots.

would have to make the tough decisions like whom to delegate responsibility to..I think it reflects on her most important decision of how to put a team together. Not suppose to be the Potemkin Candidate.

That seems to be the problem with a lot of these pols. They get protected so much that they are in their own little world with no real idea of how they are perceived except by being told how great they are by their "advisors".

everyone in the campaign was so sure she was the inevitable one that they didn't have a plan B after Super Tues so now they scrambling but haven't learned from their mistakes. They owe their head guru, mark penn, $2million back pay so they can't fire him even though he's the one calling all the stupid, negative shots.. go figure.

Acting emotional doesn't cut it with me. Especially when she voted for the war that created the scenario where the soldiers have gotten killed or wounded.

Didn't cut it with my wife either and her reaction was more full of revulsion than mine. She feels that Clinton takes the approach of a "Queen" who feels sorry for her subjects as opposed to one who embraces them in commonality.

I think think she was play acting at a "I found my own voice" moment.

Sorry.

She gave a unifying statement at the end, rather than a divisive one. :thumbsup: She's smart enough to see which way things are going.

plagiarized her "powerful close". Sickening.

Her story about the veterans was good, gotta give her that, but she clearly echoed Edwards and Bill '92 in the finale. NOT original.

Just ask her and her supporters.

It's very nice of you to post that David. Thank you.

An echo from Hillary

Several readers, and Obama's staff, heard an echo in Clinton's closing line, that the candidates on stage would be "fine."

Clinton Tonight:

You know, whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people. And that's what this election should be about.

Edwards the December 13 debate:

What's not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter what happens in this election. But what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

Other than HRC's unfortunate "Xerox" bomb, it was a great night to be a Democrat.

The Republican debates always seemed to degenerate into a conservative "Mad Libs" book (thank you, Jon Stewart) full of right wing catch phrases and dog whistles to militiaman and religious nutters in one-room cabins twenty miles from the nearest paved road.

Conversely, HRC and Obama were substantive and mostly avoided idiotic sound bites. In fact, the one time Hillary tried to use a sound bite phrase she was roundly booed. It is apparent the Democratic base is charged up, fully engaged and in no mood for the nonsense of years past. A big change isn't coming...it's already arrived.

he was very good when he defused her "let's get real" argument.

Just posted same sentiment on parallel thread tonight. Proud of and in love with them both!

hour of a debate she clearly LOST, does not make for a win in my book.

It would have been very powerful if it wasn't a total contradiction of the negativity of her campaign.

I don't blame Hillary for this. She's become a puppet of her PR asshole Penn. His company builds its reputation on defending the indefensible. She didn't need that type of support and they have cheapened her campaign as a consequence.