I'll tell you who will get shafted by mandatory health insurance: Childless people

Just like we got shafted when Bill Clinton gave that valentine to America's middle class parents in the form of the child tax credit, the Hillary Clinton health plan will be paid for on our backs. People with kids will get all kinds of subsidies and breaks, no matter how high their income is, while people like me will be expected to pay the full price. According to the state of AZ, I can afford health insurance if I make $850 a month. Clinton talks about "people who are able to afford insurance" without specifying just what criteria she uses to determine it.

No big deal, I'm just one of those worthless single people who has money to burn. We're all like the girls on Sex and the City, you know, slurping down martinis and buying Manolo pumps at Barney's.

someday those kids will be supporting us. Seems to be a good trade off. I do wonder about the policies that encourage those least able to afford kids to have so many though.

I do not want to be mandated to give money to scam artists that will give me a bullshit high deductible policy and deny me when I try to use it.

It's RW policies toward sex ed and contraception that cause the second thing you were talking about.

Particularly when it constitutes a huge mandate that everyone buy in to the insurance industry's products or else have your wages garnished.

Oh, sure I know the rationale about how people will have the option of government health insurance under her plan... it'll never happen. Even if parts of the plan made it through, which I doubt, that part never would, either because it got beaten to death by the congressional Republicans or because the insurance industry found ways to scam people into buying their product instead.

The govt. plan will cover the poor and "uninsurable" only. This is the biggest freaking boondoggle that has ever attempted to be foisted upon the American people. And as another poster aptly pointed out, not only is it not socialistic, it's fascistic. Forcing people to give money to a corporation is fascism.

And I sure Don't Want Hillary's mandated insurance that will lock us in with the insurance companies for decades to come.

I'm kidless - and I have to say if someone else's kids take care of me when I'm completely used up, I'll be grateful, but the track record in the US of A is not very good. Each generation seems to care less and less about the wellbeing of other people around them, not more.

My generation right now IS the kids taking care of the used up. Nursing homes are worse than ever, the VA care is OMG awful. Gitmo is still there. Millions upon millions of Iraqi people are now living in disgusting conditions and America got sick of that story a long time ago. And I double dog dare you to tell a 45 yr old soccer mom to hang up the damn cell phone and pay attention to driving rather than using that SUV as a battering ram.

I have no faith the kids of my generation will be any better and will probably be worse.

or 320M in the United States...

we have passed the carrying capacity of the planet, especially if there is a hiccup of some sort. We can ONLY support those people NOW because of cheap oil (yup, even at $100/barrel it's cheap). When there isn't any more cheap oil, or if the climate shifts even a little (both, I submit, are happening now), this planet will no longer support us.

Fisheries are crashing NOW around the world.

The world's wheat supply is shrinking, not growing. We are using grain stored from previous years to make up for the lack of new supply.

The United States, and the rest of the world, should be on a strict program to reduce population gradually. The alternative is a rapid population decline (a crash). And that will be really bad for anyone alive when it happens.

But instead, we encourage MORE children by giving people with children tax breaks and other programs... not to mention that our economy is built on a house of cards... a constant growth of new consumers. It cannot continue indefinitely.

Public policy and the public policy debate in this country is very much steered toward those who are married with children under 18. That's not just a Hillary thing. It's common across our political landscape.

Both me and my wife are indian and we recieve tribal healthcare for free. I have 5 kids and i make around 95K a year.

If hillary gets elected, i will make 90K a year.

for one moment that im not willing ot help.

I am willing to pay more in taxes to help, but not the cost of healthcare. If she thinks she can force me to pay that much every year for her plan, she is sadly mistaken.

The burden should be spread equally in society and insurance cos. shouldn't even be in the picture.

Garnishment has been talked about.

Right now the state of Arizona says if I make $850 a month I am ineligible for state health aid. I just keep hearing vague phrases about "people who can afford it". How is what I can "afford" determined?

Yep, I'm just a Manolo-wearin' Cosmo-slurpin' glamour gal!

It really is kind of maddening, isn't it?

Who tells me "You don't have kids! You must have plenty of money!" I really would be able to buy a pair of Manolos. :rofl:

I usually respond that all my extra money went toward paying the taxes that you don't have to pay because you've got kids.

Seems fair.

BTW, I'm helping to support retirees right now through my deductions, aren't I? By the time your kids are supporting me, I have goddamn well earned it.

to give back for the greater good...but I'm not in favor of someone garnishing my paycheck..I have enough mandatory stuff being taking out already.

If I can afford to pay for my Dr.s' visits and hospital stays why should I support Hillary's plan?

Lucky, I have excellent insurance through my employer, and additional coverage through my husbands' plan..but I'm financially able to cover significant medical cost, if I didn't have it...

I don't want anymore mandatory levies on my pay!

It would be a much fairer, and more efficient way to provide health care to everyone. I do have a problem with having my wages garnished to enrich fat insurance cos.

What next you won't pay property taxes because the money goes to county schools?

Yep, I have no kids so of course I have no expenses. :eyes:

As for taxes, I'm happy to pay them for schools and health care. I'd be happy to pay higher taxes for a true universal system, but not some bullshit mandate to a bloated private industry that I get to pay more of because Hillary decided I can "afford" it.