By going negative, Hillary is helping only one person: McPain

Hillary is giving the RW ammunition for the GE. They will be able to say "We can't trust Obama. Even libruls like the Clintons said that!!!!". Swiftboating over non-issues like the plagiarism (not) or Obama meeting with terrorists (not) do nothing to help her campaign, but play right in the hands of a fearful and uninformed electorate for the GE. Polls already show that in matchups vs McPain, Obama is doing a bit worse than a few days ago, but Hillary is still doing as bad. In the fight for the dem nomination, Hillary doesn't seem to be making any ground in TX or OH, rather the opposite.

This negative campaigning is not even helping Hillary herself. It's only helping the repugs.

Hillary has every right to continue fighting for the nomination, but she'll do herself AND the party a favor by running a positive campaign.

Oh wait, that wasn't Hillary....

Or has your memory gone. She has been running dishonest fliers against Obama since NH.

Mindset of a Hillbot.

:rofl:

Your journals are so articulate and well written, yet you descend to tossing the gratuitous "Hillbot" snarky comment.

Eh, life is full of disappointments, I guess.

But you get kind of riled up with people calling you a cult member all day.

given much ammunition to the GOP to use against HRC.

The GOP won't want to mumble pre-digested complaints originally made by a Democrat at each other. It would burn their brain circuits out. There's cognitive dissonance, and then there's utter madness. They wouldn't be caught dead agreeing with Hillary!

What was the most effective meme used against Kerry in the 2004 general election season? He was a flip flopper.

Did they have to spend millions of dollars on consultants to come up with it? Nope. They got it for free when Gephart used it against him in the primary.

He couldn't hold fast to a principle if his life depended on it.

On the other hand, the mud ain't sticking to Obama (aside from the typical American male misogyny he's displayed, and he'll likely get a pass on that after a good set down, as usual).

And yes SHAME ON OBAMA for doing his level best to KILL Universal Health Care just so he can be President.

by the time he bends his boney ass over to get fucked by the GOP.

He's the freakin' Neville Chamberlain of the Democratic Party.

Care to back that up? My, that's about as low and GOP as it gets. :grr:

is based on playing nicey nice with the GOP.

or haven't you noticed that's how he is getting GOP votes.

along with your oh so beloved Hillary who completely blew herself out of the water today. Coming across as an unhinged virago will cause her to hemorrhage votes.

that it's so embrassing for you to see Obama's fake halo ripped off.

I have no illusions about Obama. I don't do the adoring thing like you do- posting soppy stuff about how much you adore your Hilly. I don't adore Obama. He's a politician, and there are many things I don't agree with him on. You're the adulatory one- as anyone can see with all your chatter about how you love her and how you've taught your parrot to cheer her on. I think that's cult like. And it's definitely not my style. It's embarassing to see someone fawn all over a candidate- and you do more of that than practically anyone here.

Now read about some of Hilly's antics and how she got called on it by the union that endorsed her.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080106/NEWS01/801060396/1043

you wanna debate about your candidate fine?

But you just crossed a line.

perhaps you shouldn't have crossed the line. I said nothing that wasn't true. You do post those things. You do say you love Hillary. YOU attacked me. I responded to you with the truth about things you post. And you're the one that's lost control.

I'll just take a midol and stop worrying my pretty little head.

No insurance company is going to insure you regardless of pre-existing conditions...Let's say a man is diagnosed with small cell lung cancer...What incentive is there for an insurance company to insure him? So they can recieve thousands in premiums while spending tens and tens of thousands on treatment...


Under Hillary's plan if everybody has health insurance the costs will go down because there will be a positive ratio between sick and healthy people....

It's ridiculous...Forcing health insurance companies to insure you (after) you get sick is akin to forcing automobile insurance companies to insure you (after) you had an accident...

I don't think anything except a really bad plan (like Medicare D is bad) can kill it.

She's not doing that. She's going negative, comparing Obama to Bush and Rove, swiftboating him over non-issues.
Hillary should run on issues such as health care. If she really has a better plan and can convince the voters, then she doesn't need all this negative crap which plays directly into the repugs' hands.

Who has, BTW, run a sneaky little negative campaign since Day #1

Hillary has always been running a positive campaign on her Health Care package, and Obama has consistently and with escalating negativity tried to tear it down.

Enough --you're pissed that Hillary ripped off Mr. Obama's mask?

Good.

Like this time?

Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion...

I just don't think he can.

AND I don't think he'd be as good a President as Clinton.

I believe that Hillary has a better chance to win the nomination if she runs a positive campaign.
And should she fail to win the nomination, a positive campaign will help the democratic party as a whole.

black drug dealer. That was sneaky.

NOBODY called him a young black drug dealer.

over that slimey shit.

from an Obama supporter.

I'm not shocked.

But just to squish you.

Shaheen NEVER called Obama a "young black drug drealer"

He simply said that Obama's own admission of drug use would be used against him by the GOP attack machine, who would use it to raise questions such as --has he ver dealt drugs.

Now go slurp some more Kool-Aid.

And you know it.

That's the high ground that the Clinton campaign can thank for their huge success.

I see.

So now it's just for 'evoking an image'.

Not saying it outright?

And he was fired for that --right?

SO WHAT"S YOUR FREAKIN' PROBLEM?

race-baiting tactics as are under discussion here. It's no better than the GOP's "Willie Horton" ads in 1988, and you well know it.

Can't say the same for Obama's band of merry thugs.

has irreparably damaged both of them. America will never, ever view them again as friends of the black community.

People show their true colors when they're under stress and the Clintons have shown us more than any of us want to see.

Congrats!

who will fall for it.

you wouldn't be supporting Obama.

:hi:

doesn't work and just makes you look stupid.

sexist little thug aren't you?

:rofl:

Universal healthcare means PROVIDING insurance to everyone, not just mandating that they buy it. Clinton's healthcare plan is a gift to for-profit insurers.

I have every expectation that President Hillary would use threats and
intimidation to force future Cuban gov't officials to GET RID OF their
EXISTING Universal Health Care plan in Cuba on the grounds that it was
"socialistic".

Just like Carville, Penn & Co. did in places like Bolivia.

You Clintonites OPPOSE Universal Health Care. Universal means single-payer. Period.

who can fact check and uncover her hypocrisy.

n/t

But at some point you have to ask yourself: Is it good for the party to give this guy a pass now just so the can be destroyed in the GE?

Swiftboating should be off-limits.
Obama's surrogates also have engaged in negative campaigning, and it's wrong. Two wrongs don't make it a right.
But the level of negativeness we are seeing from Hillary now will backfire for the party big time.

We saw what happened in Wisconsin after Hillary went negative.
We saw what happened to the polls in Ohio and Texas after she went negative.
We saw what happened in the debate after she went negative.

If this was helping her decisively, I would understand it politically, but the point is IT DOESN'T HELP HER, IT ONLY HELPS OUR SHARED ADVERSARIES.

But attack is all they know, and for once they are lost because it isn't working.

I had this nice fuzzy impression and they've fucked it up completely. I can't wait till they go back to just sabotaging each other. Seriously. From this kind of ugly, we're not needing.

Will she run again?
Will she embarrass the shit out of herself again?

Tim Russert will enjoy playing all of these news clips over and over and over again.

Unbelievable. She seems to have no awareness of consequences at all. Thank gawd she'll never be president.

He's a slimey desperate old man.

Most of the present votes were progressive strategies. There was no way the repukes were going to use them to paint Barack as "weak on choice" in the general. But thanks to Hillary, they've been handed an issue to use against him. All people remember are the "present votes" not why they were made.

that if they can't be the Democrats in the White House, NO Democrat deserves to be in the White House. I don't think the prospect of an McCain administration bothers them in the slightest.

They just hate her, don'tcha know?

They're just haters.

They got nutthin!.

I thought that the man walked on water and his sheer mantra of hope & change, change & hope will cure all the ills that affect the country.

Why should he be afraid of such a trifling thing as the half of the Democratic party who have voted for Hillary or the half of the country who is Republican. He just needs to hold more massive rallies and continue to give one of his spiffy speeches and the nation will soon toe the Obama line. Oh, and don't forget to distribute plenty of Kool-Aid.


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Maybe you watched some other press conference.

I didn't watch it, I was talking about his campaign in general. I don't like smooth operators and that's what I see in him: a man who talks well but who's a bit too arrogant and slick for his own good. Right now he's like a shiny new coin, but we'll see how people feel about him if he actually gets into the WH and doesn't deliver everything he promised.

No wonder you're supporting Clinton.

Is he a little too arrogant for you? A little too slick? Do you think he's challenging Slick Willie's title?

and had experience to back up his rhetoric. Obama decided to run after being in the seat for only 2 years. I'm fully aware of his record in the state legislature but that's not exactly the same thing as experience at the national level. I feel that Obama is all smokes and mirrors. Sorry, but I don't trust the guy.......

How is that experience meme working out for Clinton? Not very well. She's run the worst campaign that anyone can remember. That's not smoke and mirrors, that's just a fact.

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runner. Clearly he didn't care how that would be used by the RW if she were to win the nomination. I can just see the ad now: Even fellow Democrats think Sen. Clinton is divisive. Do you really want her in charge?...yada, yada, yada"

Goodness!