You are witnessing the worst run campaign in modern history in its death throes in slow motion

Now that Hillary Clinton has lost 11 races in a row with woefully overwhelming numbers and loss of depended on demographics voting against her, she pretty much made a more than obvious concession statement in the last debate in Austin.

Polls in Texas and Ohio show her once formidable lead evaporated like mist and she is now running behind Obama, who is now leading in large numbers nationally as well in polls. She knows that Texas and Ohio must be won in large numbers, and based on the current momentum, she will be lucky to be 10% behind Obama when the votes are cast in those races.

What does she do? She decides to throw everything she has at Obama and go even more negative than she has in the past.

With the unprecedented ploy of using Obama's kindergarten paper as an "example" of chastising him for daring to want to be President and many other documented cases where both she and her surrogates delved well below the belt politically, history will show that even Karl Rove and Lee Atwater look classy compared to her operation.

So now we are witnessing someone who couldn't have the political will to acknowledge Obama's victories in a public speech in the last three primary dates now going as negative as possible to somehow damage Obama and persuade people to vote for her. She wants to be rewarded for being a poor sport and a screaming nag hellbent on ambition over leadership.

Let's just say that the World is watching. Hillary Clinton shall go down in political history as a case study in failed politics and an example of the perfectly poor role model for women for generations to come. Her failed candidacy and its legacy of gutter politics will make the road for the next woman Presidential candidate all the more harder to do. She will be the female Thomas E. Dewey of politics.

Likewise, her husband, a man who shamed her with his lack of respect for their relationship, has proven to be nothing more than an able opportunist to weigh her down.

Soon they will be in the Democratic Party's rear view mirror. And it won't be a minute too soon.

I was not a Hillary supporter but now I am downright ashamed of her.

Hillary would have been lucky to get 40% of the vote, especially with the way Terry McAuliffe ran the DNC party infrastructure even FURTHER into the ground after 2000.

Bill Clinton in all polls taken has been given one of the 5 best president ever, and some of you Obama's had better be thankfull that most of us older democrats didn't have the same attitude you have when it was time to elect Lyndon Johnson.

Poor fucker's pissed away all his money.

Why are you pissing on Hillary? And Bill? What's your problem?

Clinton Supporter: {Attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack}

Obama Supporter: {Counterattack}

Clinton Supporter: "I thought you guys were all about UNITY!"


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tails you lose.

The Goldwater Girl and Slick Willy shall soon be in the cartoon book of failures. Good riddance to the both of them.

Have you ever stuck a cigar up an intern's privates? I bet you think it's fun....'specially in the White House with the Mrs. down the hall...yuckety yuck fuckin' yuck...

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I sure hope not.

Oh, and fuck Bloomberg with a rusty chainsaw. Just in case any one of his toadies who Google "Unity '08" might see this. Um, sideways.

If you have no problem with Hillary and Bill and their antics, you aren't and haven't been paying attention.

See, thing is, I've watched a whole lot of them over the years.

Let alone the well funded national Republican machine.

I hope he makes "quick work" of him, but I won't hold my breathe.

There was that Keyes guy that the Goopers sent up after Ryan pussied out.

Thing is, why did Ryan pussy out so quickly? I think the GOP is/was terrified of Obama in 2004, and they are terrified of him now.

After the Ryan sex scandal came out there was a huge push to dump him and shame Edgar into the race.

Edgar is still a very moderate and very popular figure in Illinois, he may well have won.

After Edgar refused they tried all sorts of crazy schemes like getting Ditka in the race ect and it turned into a circus that eventually had Obama going against Keyes. IMO Keyes was pushed into the race by the more moderate ILGOP leadership to prove a point to the fundies that their shit doesn't fly in IL.

The ILGOP is the biggest joke on this side of the Mississipi

Now I hope our Metsies don't melt down like Clinton did today. Last year was hard to take.

and her formidable machine and her strong attacks. She's trying to tie him to the Weather Underground in a Willie Horton way. That's definitely out of the repuke playbook and he's managing it fine. And he did face a repub: Ryan before he bowed out due to scandal. And Ryan was well funded. Obama was beating him. It's clear that Obama's campaign has a quick response. Clinton facing McCain? Thankfully, we won't have to find out.

She's had a lot of incompetence in her campaign, a lack of direction, constantly changing messages, and even the occasional flat-out lie, but nothing outrageously slimy, underhanded, or illegal like Atwater or Rove campaigns. Hillary hasn't tried to foment racism or whispering campaigns based on lies. She hasn't tried to hold down turnout by having surrogates lie to voters about whether they'll be arrested if they try to vote or deceiving them about where the polling place is. I mean, there's just no contest. You're a million miles off.

...they would win. Hillaryworld is going down in flames.

As for trying to not want voters to vote, look at what her campaign did in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada, just for starters. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look for a post about that in a future thread.

The Hillaryworld game is to use Rove/Atwater tactics...maybe not as derivative, but certainly intended with the same results.

Believe me, political science classes will analyze just how incompetent and negative the Hillary Clinton campaign was. It's not even over yet. We are certainly in the last Act though.

to be impeached after the Dec 1992 release of the final BCCI report.

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You just SO wants to believe the hype about Obama and the worst about Hillary.
It says much more about you than it does about her. Figure that one out.

We get enough of it around here, thanks very much. Are you really so stupid that you can't criticize Hillary without also taking a crap on every other woman?

She has nothing, absolutely nothing. She sounds likes she has lost her ever-loving mind.

Shame on her.



Peace:thumbsup:

The award for worst ever campaign goes to Rudy Ghouly (R 9-11).

because BCCI final report was being released in Dec 1992 and he expected to be impeached.

he looked at his watch during a debate! i've never seen a candidate for president look less interested in campaigning or winning or in the outcome. even hopeless campaigns, like bob dole's, exude more enthusiasm.

on the other hand, shrub's reselection campaign didn't seem all that enthused either, but that i think was more a matter of knowing they were the ones counting the votes....

siding with GHWBush's secrecy and privilege and protected him and his illegal operations throughout the 90s.

THAT led directly to BushInc GAINING power in the 90s and coming back with Bush2.

well i'll agree that bill clinton was better impressing democrats than he was at actually delivering concrete democratic victories, whether legislative or political.

but i don't think you can entirely pin shrub on clinton.

They were as weak as they ever were by Jan 1993, and most of the BushInc players should have been jailed by the end of 1994 had the outstanding matters in that BCCI report been allowed further scrutiny or if DoJ had been directed to follow up on those matters.

and Bill was handed that report when he took office. He mentions NOTHING about it in his book - though Poppy Bush and the man who bankrolled Bill's political career in Arkansas AND underwrote his primary campaign for president figured greatly in that report and its outstanding matters.

BCCI's matters needed a president who would COOPERATE and not continue the stonewalling Bush had put up. Bill sided with the protection of secrecy and privilege of GHWBush and his powerful partners and cronies.

Hillary started out this race with everything going for her: name recognition, money, party backing, and an air or inevitability. She walked in the door at 50%.

Barack Obama happened to the Clintons. I never expected his deft, brilliant campaigning; I expected it even less than the Spanish Inquisition, but there it is.

And now we are seeing and will continue to see the real Clintons and just how low they are prepared to stoop. One of her supporters here at DU a while back posted that if Hillary didn't get the nod, they intended to f*ck up Barack for the GE. We shall see what kind of Democrats the Clintons are, and from their past track record, I have every confidence it won't be pretty.

And I can't believe my smart fellow DUers are recommending a post like this.

By the way, I'm for OBAMA, and I still think this is an unnecessarily negative post. Why rub it in? It is what it is.

Plenty of company.

He said he almost was kicked out of college because he was going to Muskie rallies, doing grassroots work and missing college classes. He'd have fellow students say "hey man, who are you backing for President, that Muskie guy?" They'd then say "Man, McCarthy is the dude... he said he'd legalize weed."

Of course, Muskie had to drop out because he had a tear in his eye and appeared to "cry". It broke the guy's heart for years.

As for Bob Dole, I'd say that McCain will top his failed attempt. I'm not sure I would lump Kerry and Dukakis in the same class...

Bush Sr's calling the Democrats "Bozo and Oxone man" is on a par with this. Bob Dole was always a nasty hatchet man. Dukakis was underhanded if he knew the plagerism charge against Biden was unfair and that Biden had usually credited the comment.
None of the other Democrats ran the mean spirited nasty campaign that HRC has. Both HHH and John Kerry ran far better campaigns - that could have succeeded if in HHH's case the liberals would have voted or in Kerry's the Clinton allies in the media would have helped at all.

HRC campaign is only in the primaries - Kerry ran an excellent campaign in the primaries and won the open nomination easily. The problems in his campaign in the general election could be because of those people added from the other candidates' campaigns. He nearly won the general election in what was one of the toughest environments for a Democrat. The media was biased enough that they showed Republicans at their convention mocking the purple heart awarded for soldiers' wounds as if they were wearing novelty hats! His debates were excellent - as were his rallies.

That was tough. Ended it right there.

I'm not casting asparagus...but if a candidate annihilates his whole campaign with one presser, that's pretty much the dictionary definition of a bad campaign.

:)

And in Kerry's case, his campaign was doing great and would have won HANDILY had Terry McAuliffe secured the election process after 2000s blatant theft.

...and she's about 20 yards behind Obama, about to go over the finish line.

Kerry won all his matchups with Bush.

Had the DNC used its four years after 2000s election fraud to secure the election process at every level where votes are allowed, cast and counted, Kerry would be in the WH.

BTW - the fledgling left media got its infant asses kicked daily by the RW machine. But they forgot to blame themselves in their eagerness to blame Kerry. Guess they BOUGHT the spin McAuliffe was selling.

And Bill Clinton was defending Bush for 3 weeks during that campaign - something that NEVER happened before in a presidential campaign:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Carville's sabotage of Ohio voters:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

NT

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Dukakis only rode a tank.
Kerry went windsurfing.
Kerry went hunting.
Kerry voted for the first $87B before he was against it.

Bush was ripe for the picking, especially after invading Iraq under false pretenses. All we needed was a competent campaigner.

And Bush made HUNDREDS of errors - none of Kerry's were mortal. BTW - Kerry windsurfed for years as an EXPERT. He was also an EXPERT HUNTER. He was also an accomplished hockey player, pilot, motorcyclist, cyclist, and horseman.

Furthermore - the media KNEW he was accomplished in all those sports but chose to pretend to their audience that he was new to these sports.

It was abviously close enough that Kerry could have still won it by an inch. But it shouldn't have been close enough to steal. The fact that it was close is because our nominee had an idiotic strategy and carried it out horridly.

Forunately, Obama is attracting new voters without pretending to empathize with any of their extremist views...yet.

theft and Terry McAuliffe chose to NOT DO THAT JOB.

BTW - show me where ANY Dem nominee ever had the last Dem president spending 3 weeks during that election year defending the GOP opponent from the very attacks launched by the nominee?

Kerry was not at the forefront of fighting election fraud. He had four years worth of chances to champion the issue, and he chose not to.

Secondly, despite the lack of help from the Clintons, Kerry was in a tight election with a low-popularity president, who had just gotten us into a phony war under false pretenses. What weighs more, that or Bill Clinton's lack of assistance? That is HUGE. There is no excuse for Kerry to lose that election. None.

The fact that Kerry couldn't win under those circumstanes is just plain embarrassing.

the last Dem president REPEATEDLY for 3 weeks STRAIGHT told the country that Bush was right to make that decision.

Man - where were you that whole time?

Name all the top Democrats taking Kerry's position that Bush should never have invaded Iraq at all after weapon inspections - then name all the best known Democrats SUPPORTING Bush on those decisions.

You are pushing a FAIRY tale.

Kerry beat Bush.

DNC rolled over the RNC. And left media was so tiny and minor it was nowhere effective a tool as the RW message machine.

You want to submit that Bush ran a great campaign and won and didn't rely on the RNC or RW control of media?

in every interview during a 3 week book tour?

Talk about selective memory. Bill Clinton repeatedly defended Bush's decisions on terrorism and Iraq war FOR 3 solid weeks in 2004 at the very point that Bush was being attacked for those decisions by the Dem nominee.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Some of you are COINCIDENCE THEORISTS. Gullible to the core.
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

Give me a fucking break.

Cynical, manipulative, ugly (though ugly can apply to most campaigns).

K & R :thumbsup:

I keep wondering to what extent Bill is responsible for this shambles. I mean, whatever else he was, he was a brilliant campaigner. The only contributions he has made to hers have been disastrous. Could he, consciously or unconsciously, be trying to undermine her? Paging Doctor Freud...

it final release in Dec 1992.

He had nothing to worry about as his BCCI partner in crime, Jackson Stephens, had groomed his boy in Arkansas and bankrolled his political career and underwrote his primary campaign to boot. Poppy Bush was so safe throughout the 90s that he gained strength and power and planned their return to the WH in 2000.

BushInc should have been JAILED by the end of 1994.

Just saying, honey.

this campaign has been doesn't really matter.

At a unique time in history. "Ready From Day One" was a disaster, all right. The whole I-have-a-great-resume thing after two terms of George W. Bush was a strategic blunder of the first order.

But Obama is a phenomenon. And this campaign is over; it's astounding to me that she's still taken seriously after going 0 for 11 with the closest loss being 17 points. Says something, I suppose.

Besides, Rudy Giuliani's campaign this year has got to rank as the worst I have ever seen.

I mentioned about getting a couple mailers before the primary here in Wisconsin where her vampaign sent out mailers that had already been debunked from the many sent during the Super Tuesday season:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4618840

Once she concedes, I plan on doing something documenting all of her desperate foibles leading up to her defeat. A lot of the DU prognosticators who were yapping happily about her inevitable coronation will be referenced for humorous input.

and allowed her to dominate the news cycle. And when you're desperate and out of funds, well, that's about the best you can hope for.

The story is out. I'll help:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/zulchzulu/144

9iu11iani, Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney. (though Hillary did manage to squander a rather significant advantage)

They were already talking about the changing tactics of the Clinton campaign and how Hillary was trying desperately to find something that would work against Obama. On Friday, the general feeling was that maybe she was being genuinely gracious. And by Saturday, she was ranting and invoking Karl Rove. They are going to feast on her bones now.

She had a chance to do this nice but she chose nasty.

Obama had the audacity to get more votes, bigger crowds and give speeches that didn't put people to sleep.

Mean, petty, nasty and always having to get your own way are not attributes that I'd equate with leadership.

You're right, the sooner this is over, the better.

Maybe she wants to go out guns blazing. That's not much of a legacy, IMHO.

And it's really not good for the Democratic Party.

Just a piss poor candidate.

Her support always was a mile wide an an inch thick.