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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 12:03 PM
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Why I can't see Guiliani as *'s running mate
1-With the convention being held in NYC at the time, it might look a little too obvious at how he's trying to exploit 9/11 and it could backfire big time. Remember the negative reaction to his ads.
2-* is not carrying New York, period. It doesn't matter who his running mate is, if the top of the ticket is so far from a state's overall political climate. */Giuliani would do as well in New York as Dukakis/Bentsen did in Texas
3-Giuliani doesn't seem like the type of person who'd take a #2 spot. My money would be on him running for governor in 2006 since Pataki probably isn't running again.
4-But most importantly, the unChristian right would throw a fit unlike anything we've ever seen before. Think people whined about Lieberman in 2000? You haven't seen nothing yet. Giuliani is even more liberal than Arnold. He's pro-choice and even opposes the ban on late term abortions as long as it has no maternal health exception. He is mostly pro-gay rights and in favor of civil unions. He is very anti-gun. If Roy Moore ran, that'd be the end for *, the fundies would flock to him in droves, and even if he didn't, some other far right third party would do significantly well. And let's not forget Giuliani's private life, he makes Bill Clinton look faithful. It also seems like he probably has some other skeletons in his closet that could cause a major headache.
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 12:08 PM
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1. You're right, esp. on #4. But this means the topic isn't worth discussing.
For exactly the reasons you cite, Rudy will never be the running mate. So there's nothing to talk about.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 12:09 PM
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2. I don't like Giuliani
but on 9/11 he showed true leadership. When the cookies where on the table, he rose to the occasion.

Bush, on the other hand, showed his cowardice by criss-crossing the country with his tail between his legs. If he had shown one ounce of the true leadership that day, I might have a twinge of respect for that bastard.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 12:11 PM
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4. He didn't do anything that any other mayor would not have done
In fact, I do not see him coming to the support of the NYFD today
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 12:15 PM
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5. I disagree with you a bit.
Edited on Sun Mar-21-04 12:16 PM by brainshrub
He didn't do anything that any other mayor would not have done.

I disagree. Imagine if * had been mayor of NYC.

See my point?

ON EDIT: Don't get me wrong, Guiliani is a whore.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 12:10 PM
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3. Guiliani is a whore
He has been working with the drug companies spreading the message that drugs coming over from Canada are dangerous.

If you listen to him he speaks like one of the neocons today. He would jump at the VP position if offered.

When Guiliani humiliated his x-wife in front of a press conference 4 to 5 years ago, so the type of person he really is.

He fits perfectly in with the Bush/Cheneny group, and is not beyond changing positions
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 12:54 PM
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6. It doesn't matter if Cheney is replaced
...by anybody, even Giuliani. Cheney will continue to be the defacto president, Chimpy will be the front man and fundraiser, and any replacement VP will go to funerals.
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siden Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 01:00 PM
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7. Placing Giuliani on the ticket isn't meant to appeal to NY voters
It's meant to appeal to moderate voters in swing states who don't know anything about Giuliani's policies but saw him on TV after 9/11 and think he's a hero. And I don't think there would be a substantial backlash from the right. Hell, we've got people here on DU that want Kerry to select McCain for VP, so I doubt that many righties would be upset if Bush tapped Rudy G. You don't see Rush sticking his nose any less further up Bush's ass just because he disagrees with him on immigration. If Roy Moore ran, he'd get his .5% just like Nader. Very few people, left or right, care about ideals this year. Everybody just wants to win, principles be damned.

Bush probably doesn't want to drop Cheney because it will make him look desperate, and he'll probably stick with Dick if Kerry makes a conventional pick like Bayh or Rendell. But if Kerry chooses an especially dynamic or unorthodox candidate, Dubya might push the panic button and select Giuliani.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 03:38 PM
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8. He endorsed CLINTON in 1996
Rudy can never be on a national Repub ticket for that reason alone.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 04:05 PM
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9. Sure he can...
Clark siad Bush was doing a damn good job on foreign policy at one time but then saw the light.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 04:11 PM
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11. he did? I had no idea
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 04:06 PM
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10. Guiliani's an asshole but not as bad as some other Republicans n/t
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