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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:02 AM
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Absolutely NO PROOF anyone from Clinton camp connected in anyway to 'the photo'
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_blasts_Clinton_over_photo_0225.html

Despite having no proof, Obama camp blasts Clinton for 'Obama in Muslim garb' photo.

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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:05 AM
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1. Then why can't they deny it.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 11:06 AM by Zueda
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:09 AM
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3. No political campaign
wants to be on the defensive
about something they were not
responsible for. They stand
the risk of having it spun further
if they do not take a 'hands off'
approach to it.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:11 AM
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9. They need to deny it.
Something tells me they can't.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:15 AM
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19. wrong it is absolutely standard in political campaigns
to deny something you aren't responsible for.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:02 PM
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90. Then they deny it outright - as I have seen many campaigns do
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:13 AM
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14. Is there a direct quote? It's a reporters trick. "No comment!"="They didn't say they weren't Nazis"
Don't be fooled again.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:15 AM
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17. "The Clinton campaign did not deny the charge, but did not comment further."
If they aren't behind it, why do they not deny it?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:31 AM
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37. What is the photo's history? Was it published back when it was taken?
I know the answer, thanks to google.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:43 AM
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55. Doesn't matter. The Clinton camp is the one pushing it now.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:51 AM
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71. Proof?
Still none?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:51 AM
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75. Her non-denial response.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:06 AM
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2. Clinton/McCain campaigns are connected, see link
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:19 AM
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30. I did not know that. It is very interesting now.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:09 AM
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4. "Clinton's campaign did not deny its staffers distributed the photo" nt
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:11 AM
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7. "Obama Camp Has not Denied They Are Setting Up Clinton With Fake Story!"
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 11:12 AM by MethuenProgressive
:hi:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:19 AM
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26. Clinton camp has commented on the story. They did not deny they were behind it.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:46 AM
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59. Obama's campaign is playing loose with words
Obama's campaign accuses the Clinton campaign of "distributing" that photo:

"Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign Monday of "shameful offensive fear-mongering" by circulating a photo as an attempted smear.

Plouffe was reacting to a banner headline on the Drudge Report saying that aides to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) had e-mailed a photo calling attention to the African roots of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.)

The photo, taken in 2006, shows the Democrat front-runner dressed as a Somali Elder, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya," the Drudge Report saidThe Clinton campaign did not deny the charge, but did not comment further."
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_blasts_Clinton_over_photo_0225.html

And here:

"Three Obama foreign policy advisers participated in a conference call with reporters Monday in advance of an anticipated Clinton speech outlining her foreign policy goals. All criticized her campaign for distributing the photo.

"It is unfortunate ... that her campaign would be involved in putting out a photograph that is in its very nature designed to be divisive," said Susan Rice, an Obama adviser and fellow at the Brookings Institution.

The advisers -- Rice, Gen. Jonathon “Scott” Gration and Richard Danzig -- noted that in the photo Obama is simply accepting a gift from one of his hosts, and he tried it on just like any politician visiting a foreign country would.

"He was someone who accepted a gift of friendship in a way that we should expect our president to," Gration said.

Danzig said distributing the photo was clearly an attempt to have voters "judge a book by its cover" and he said the campaign's "grasping" at such at attack represented its lack of substantive critiques against Obam."
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_blasts_Clinton_over_photo_0225.html



OK I read the Drudge story. Plouffe was reacting to the Drudge story, and Drudge wrote that he obtained a copy of an email that a Clinton staffer had emailed to another Clinton staffer that discussed and contained that photo. Notice how the meaning of words got mutated. "Putting out a photo", "distributing the photo", "circulating a photo". Those became the charges that the Clinton campaign supposedly did not deny.

I am holding judgment on that however. All I can see so far is that the Clinton campaign did not deny that a staff member at some level sent an email to one or other staff members at some level that contained that photo. They did not deny the content of Drudge's story. That is it so far from what I can tell. Now the words can be twisted to say that an email from one individual to another is "distributing" I suppose, technically. Plouffe made a big point that Clinton aids had "e-mailed a photo" but to who, themselves?

What about the fact that the photo had already being circulated on Free Republic and at another conservative web site, seemingly for weeks? Clinton gets blamed for that?:

"Supermarket tabloid The National Examiner reportedly ran the photo in its Feb. 4 issue. The photo appeared on right-wing message board Free Republic and conservative blog Sweetness & Light before Drudge picked it up."
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_blasts_Clinton_over_photo_0225.html

So Drudge knew about this photo for a long time and only waited to make a big deal out of it until he had a way to rope Clinton into this.





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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:22 AM
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32. My quote was taken from an online article - where'd you get yours?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:37 AM
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45. Your quote isn't from the Clinton camp, it's a reporter's comment.
You know the difference, don't you?
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:45 AM
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57. I said it was from an online article - reporting on the Clinton's camp lack of denial.
You know the truth, don't you?

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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:10 AM
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5. WRONG
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:11 AM
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10. You have proof? Link or slink, as we say here on DU.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:10 AM
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6. Facts Hurt Their Wee Little Heads. Go Easy On Them.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:11 AM
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8. hey, Drudge said so
And I guess that's good enough for some people.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:13 AM
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12. And Raw Story. And Politico.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:15 AM
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16. are you counting politico as a reliable source?
My, my, my.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:16 AM
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22. And is Raw Story also RW now? "Update: Clinton campaign doesn't deny distributing photo"
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:26 PM
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100. everything is right wing
I saw a thread with a clip from democracy now and someone called it right wing trash LOL. imagine amy goodman as a right wing shill.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:48 PM
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107. shame on Raw Story for using Drudge. (eom)
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:16 AM
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21. Without any proof or original reporting, they are just saying "Drudge says"
Lots of people say shit about Barry. Does that make it true?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:17 AM
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23. How about "Raw Story says?"
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:12 AM
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11. She hasn't denied it.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:14 AM
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15. "Obama hasn't denied planting the story with his gay lover, Matt Drudge"
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 11:15 AM by MethuenProgressive
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:18 AM
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25. The difference is that Obama was not specifically asked about it, nor did he send out
a media-blast email in reference to such a story.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:56 PM
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105. Yet that's not really a proof, is it?
Yet that's not really a proof, is it? Isn't the lack of denial from Sen. Clinton's people at best merely evidence rather than an absolute proof?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:13 AM
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13. "There is no proof,"
but that all depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:15 AM
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18. Rumor against one's candidate - proof required. Rumor against opposing candidate - who needs proof?
nt.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:16 AM
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20. What's he so upset about?
Did he dress that way? Is it somehow a lie? Any proof the Hillary campaign had anything to do with it?

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:18 AM
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24. It's a cool pic of his *finally* getting some Foreign Policy experience.
Only a sucker would think this was "leaked" to "harm" him.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:28 AM
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35. Still no proof. Remember this Only ONE Camp was sure to have posessed thisn pic.
Obama's.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:19 AM
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27. After Hill's Negativity in the Past Days ...
... how could anyone reasonably believe this is not a Clinton(s) attempt at another smear?

Frankly, it is pathetic and ought to disqualify her and her husband from anymore time in the White House
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #27
39. Ah, good ol' "Guilty until proven Innocent" - Like Whitewater, yes?
:eyes:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #27
81. Hello.....
that's why Drudge picked NOW to release it and blame the Clinton campaign. You guys are just too much.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:19 AM
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28. did you see the non-denial
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 11:22 AM by yourguide
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Clintons_response_the_days_Drudge.html#comments


The Clinton campaign puts out a response from Maggie Williams, which doesn't respond to the question of whether a staffer was circulating the photo of Obama in Somali garb, but takes issue with the Obama campaign's embrace of the issue:

Enough.

If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely.

This is nothing more than an obvious and transparent attempt to distract from the serious issues confronting our country today and to attempt to create the very divisions they claim to decry.

We will not be distracted.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:21 AM
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31. If your camp wasn't responsible wouldn't you want to get that out ASAP?
I certainly would want to address. Maybe more will be forthcoming today, as time elaspes.

If not, maybe KO will address it tonight on Countdown..

Interesting no comment though..
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:19 AM
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29. Obama's "foreign policy" advisors don't talk foreign policy
"Three Obama foreign policy advisers participated in a conference call with reporters Monday in advance of an anticipated Clinton speech outlining her foreign policy goals. All criticized her campaign for distributing the photo."

It would have been nice if the "foreign policy" advisors had spent the phone call talking about foreign policy. Instead, they used the opportunity to spread an unprovable Drudge smear against Clinton. But, hey, it's about getting elected. Work out the details of foreign policy later.

Will he use these tactics against McCain? Or will that be too partisan and divisive and alienate our Republican friends?
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:22 AM
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33. Did HRC take that photo? I don't get it...
She didn't put that headress on him, and if y'all think it wouldn't have made the 'rounds, you're not thinking like a Republican.

Besides, after Harry and Louise, all bets are off. If that's not a doctored photo, it's fair game.

NOBODY'S playin' nice anymore.


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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:33 AM
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40. Nope. She's just pushing it. Apparently SC didn't teach her that race-baiting doesn't work.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #40
44. No proof it has anything to do with Clinton, just more gossip from the Obamas.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #44
48. Other than their non-denial and the fact that three sources have reported it as such, yes.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #48
52. 1 source. The other 2 are just reporting about Drudge. What, and DU makes 4?
:rofl: at the political neophyte
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #52
56. Nope. Those are the three that are reporting on Maggie Williams' email.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:56 AM
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82. If "Harry and Louise" don't get you for him acting like a republican from the 90's
it should be said that he should be able to withstand the truth.

You don't seem to understand what I am saying. Unless Clinton doctored that photo, there is no story here.

If the truth hurts Obama, then it hurts him.


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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:24 AM
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34. I can't give Clinton the benefit of the doubt on this one
The motive is clearly there and her campaign isn't denying that they sent this out.

If the Clinton campaign was smart, they would distance themselves from this because it isn't going to make her look good.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:29 AM
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36. Gravity - no one anywhere knew anything about this photo before today?
Aside from the Obama Camp, that is? This was "news" to everyone?
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. point: who is pushing it
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:34 AM
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41. Drudge - and he "spiced up" his find by claiming the Clinton camp was involved.
It wouldn't be "news" if just some nerd at Drudge googled it up, would it?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:35 AM
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42. So... if yesterday you google/imaged "Obama" how long would it have taken to find this pic?
An hour? Less than an hour? Had the Obama Camp tried to hide this pic?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:42 AM
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51. MP, your two defenses are mutually incompatible.
Your first is that "only the Obama campaign had this for sure."
The second is that "anyone could find that photo easily."

:rofl:

And still no explanation for why the Clinton camp isn't denying it in their statements.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:46 AM
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58. Is English your second language?
You're doing pretty good, keep on trying! And yet, and but still - only the Obama campaign had this for sure, but anyone could've found that photo, so blaming Clinton as the "obvious culprit" is stupid beyond all previous stupids.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. It's now hit CBS and ABC. I'm sure everyone but you is wrong, though.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:49 AM
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68. Proof Hillary Clinton sent this as an email to Matt Drudge is on CBS and ABC?
You're tripping.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:50 AM
Original message
Nope. Her non-denial is.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #38
43. Drudge
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #43
47. Drudge - the slimeball who broke the Lewinsky scandal and tried to destroy the Clintons.
Only in the twisted world of the ObamaBots would a Clinton "team up" with Drudge.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:48 AM
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65. The Lewinsky scandal was true
It doesn't make your point any more valid
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:50 AM
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70. So Hillary is teaming up with the slimeball who tried to destroy her family?
OK. Sure. Yeah, right.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #70
73. The Clintons are not known for being especially honor-bound.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #70
93. The family was not destroyed , but greatly harmed - by Bill Clinton's actions
It was not the charges, but the fact that they were true that hurt.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:50 AM
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69. Well, Drudge is saying that he got it from them. If he's lying that's slander and they should sue.
They could compel Drudge to produce the emails in court, where it should be obvious that they didn't come from anyone in her campaign, right?
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:42 AM
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50. I can't dismiss this yet
If they are innocent, they have every reason to deny these allegations or else it would be political damaging.

If the Hillary camp speaks out against this, I would reconsider. I like jumping to making accusations, but I can't let this one go just yet. The timing and political motives are clearly their, and Hillary is known to play hardball.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:37 AM
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46. And we're supposed to take the word of a campaign run by Republicans?
When Hillary is done screwing herself into the ground, come back to us and tell us about the brilliance of hiring Charlie Black's sidekick to manage a Democratic candidate's campaign. They are practicing smashmouth politics not unlike that * trotted out in South Carolina or that Chambliss used against Cleland.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:41 AM
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49. No Clinton official has made any comment at all, Skids..
So what "word" are you so upset about?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:42 AM
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54. Maggie Williams is not a Clinton official now? What a strange world you live in.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:57 AM
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85. Quote?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:00 PM
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88. Sure. From Raw Story:
"Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams tried to turn the tables on Obama's campaign Monday, releasing a blistering statement that did little to disabuse the notion Clinton's staffers were behind the photo's distribution.

“If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely," Williams wrote in an e-mail to reporters. "This is nothing more than an obvious and transparent attempt to distract from the serious issues confronting our country today and to attempt to create the very divisions they claim to decry. We will not be distracted.”

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_blasts_Clinton_over_photo_0225.html
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:42 AM
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53. The non-denial is telling.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:47 AM
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62. They have made no statement at all, right? So they're guilty?
You would've fit right in at the Salem Witch trials.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:48 AM
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64. No, they have made a statement. It did not include a denial. Jesus, try following the story.
"If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed."
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:49 AM
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67. I repeat. What is it they didn't deny? The content of the Drudge Report story?
Obama's campaign accuses the Clinton campaign of "distributing" that photo:

"Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign Monday of "shameful offensive fear-mongering" by circulating a photo as an attempted smear.

Plouffe was reacting to a banner headline on the Drudge Report saying that aides to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) had e-mailed a photo calling attention to the African roots of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.)

The photo, taken in 2006, shows the Democrat front-runner dressed as a Somali Elder, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya," the Drudge Report saidThe Clinton campaign did not deny the charge, but did not comment further."
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_blasts_Clinton_over_photo_0225.html

And here:

"Three Obama foreign policy advisers participated in a conference call with reporters Monday in advance of an anticipated Clinton speech outlining her foreign policy goals. All criticized her campaign for distributing the photo.

"It is unfortunate ... that her campaign would be involved in putting out a photograph that is in its very nature designed to be divisive," said Susan Rice, an Obama adviser and fellow at the Brookings Institution.

The advisers -- Rice, Gen. Jonathon “Scott” Gration and Richard Danzig -- noted that in the photo Obama is simply accepting a gift from one of his hosts, and he tried it on just like any politician visiting a foreign country would.

"He was someone who accepted a gift of friendship in a way that we should expect our president to," Gration said.

Danzig said distributing the photo was clearly an attempt to have voters "judge a book by its cover" and he said the campaign's "grasping" at such at attack represented its lack of substantive critiques against Obam."
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_blasts_Clinton_over_photo_0225.html



OK I read the Drudge story. Plouffe was reacting to the Drudge story, and Drudge wrote that he obtained a copy of an email that a Clinton staffer had emailed to another Clinton staffer that discussed and contained that photo. Notice how the meaning of words got mutated. "Putting out a photo", "distributing the photo", "circulating a photo". Those became the charges that the Clinton campaign supposedly did not deny.

I am holding judgment on that however. All I can see so far is that the Clinton campaign did not deny that a staff member at some level sent an email to one or other staff members at some level that contained that photo. They did not deny the content of Drudge's story. That is it so far from what I can tell. Now the words can be twisted to say that an email from one individual to another is "distributing" I suppose, technically. Plouffe made a big point that Clinton aids had "e-mailed a photo" but to who, themselves?

What about the fact that the photo had already being circulated on Free Republic and at another conservative web site, seemingly for weeks? Clinton gets blamed for that?:

"Supermarket tabloid The National Examiner reportedly ran the photo in its Feb. 4 issue. The photo appeared on right-wing message board Free Republic and conservative blog Sweetness & Light before Drudge picked it up."
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_blasts_Clinton_over_photo_0225.html

So Drudge knew about this photo for a long time and only waited to make a big deal out of it until he had a way to rope Clinton into this.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:47 AM
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61. Then they should sue Matt Drudge for saying they did, right?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:48 AM
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63. Did he say they "did"? Did you see what he wrote?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:48 AM
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66. Yes. He stated that they were circulating that picture. If they aren't, that's libel.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:51 AM
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72. My bad, Libel, I called it slander in another post. nt
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:52 AM
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76. Internally. An email exhange between some staff members
Drudge obtained a copy of an email sent from one Clinton staff person to another. That is what he wrote. THe Clinton campaign did not deny that said email was real. If that is what you call "circulating" I have "circulated" some amazing things in my life.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:53 AM
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78. Oh Boy! Overzealous Staffer makes a return!
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #78
94. Yeah, amazing how s/he keeps getting rehired! nt
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:52 AM
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77. Quote?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #77
89. "Clinton Staffers Circulate 'Dressed' Obama." Did you even look at the Drudge headline?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:51 AM
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74. Hillary Clinton woos man (Drudge) who nearly ruined her husband
Hillary Clinton woos man who nearly ruined her husband

Earlier this month, Ms Clinton's staff leaked campaign fundraising data to the website just as her rival for the nomination, Barack Obama, was to deliver a policy speech on Iraq - and a crucial 20 minutes before the official release of the information. The story on Ms Clinton's fundraising prowess dominated the news cycle.


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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:55 AM
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80. More no proof gossip from the DUbama Gossipteers.
That was debunked so badly you were laughed at for pushing it.
Why don't you scuttle back to the lounge and try to slip "Hillary's shrill!" into a few more gardening threads...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:59 AM
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86. Nonsense. You are more desperate than Hillary. She, in fact, circulated the "terrorist group" story.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 12:00 PM by ProSense
She's despicable.

Obama's campaign would not connect Hillary to the story without validation

It has happened before and Axelrod denounced the attempts to link Hillary's campaign to an attack:

The article further reported that Obama strategist David Axelrod said he did not "believe ... for a second" the allegation that Clinton's camp was behind the story.


This latest incident is different in that it comes on the heels of Hillary's campaign and her surrogates promoting Obama's ties to "former members of a radical domestic terrorist group."

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:04 PM
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92. Did you *see* the dress that tramp down the block wore to Church?? Sat in the front pew, too!
:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:20 PM
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106. Hillary is in damage control mode. n/t
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:53 AM
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79. If she did not do it, then who did?
It's not like the Republicans are going to waste their time and money on someone in a Primary. This smells of Hillary and I am willing to bet we will be seeing a resignation of one of her campaign staff after this whole thing dies down that way she can bring it to light again.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:56 AM
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83. Drudge. The story sells better if it hints it might be from the Clintons.
"Look what I found on Google" doesn't get the play that this is getting.
He's playing the Obama supporters like a fiddle.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:57 AM
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84. I believe the photo was published just under a month ago.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 12:14 PM by jsamuel
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:59 AM
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87. I know I've seen it before. Most likely right here on DU.
Posted by an Obama supporter no doubt, proud of Obama getting out there into the real world.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:02 PM
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91. So, Drudge 'heard gossip' that a staffer had sent a photo to a staffer, and googled up this pic?
Obama supporters are more gullible than even I imagined they were.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:09 PM
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95. DRUDGE DEBUNKED - photo was in 2/4/08 National Enquirer, not secretly held by Clinton Camp
:rofl:
You DUbamas are *so* funny!
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:15 PM
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96. don't look at this!!!!

Don't Look at How Badly Hillary's campaign is sinking

look at this instead:

There have been 12 duplicate threads posted about the Clinton campaign circulating a photo of Obama in "muslim" garb
6 duplicates trying to defend Hillary Clinton for this, and 6 duplicates condemning this smear campaign.

Absolutely NO PROOF anyone from Clinton camp connected in anyway to 'the photo' Mon Feb-25-08 11:02 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758267&mesg_id=4758267

There's NO proof the Clinton campaign approved of the Drudge pic. So, he's a legitimate source now?? Mon Feb-25-08 11:18 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758517

*WHY* is it a "smear photo"? Mon Feb-25-08 11:30 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758733&mesg_id=4758733

To address the recent Drudge photo...Mon Feb-25-08 11:49 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4759060

Hillary doesn't mind pictures of her in traditional clothing being published. Why is Obama so upset? Mon Feb-25-08 11:26 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758646

RETHUGS sent the Photo! Mon Feb-25-08 11:57 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4759207&mesg_id=4759207

rebuttal

Politico: Obama slams smear photo Mon Feb-25-08 10:11 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4757652&mesg_id=4757652

The Clinton goes ON RECORD re: PHOTO SMEAR and DOES NOT DENY, just change subject Mon Feb-25-08 11:18 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758523&mesg_id=4758523

in addition to being a low political move, distributing that photo would be an offense to muslims Mon Feb-25-08 11:37 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758867

Hillary's use of Islamophobia against Obama, will hurt our Democratic candidate for Congress Mon Feb-25-08 11:21 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758564

As long as Clinton supporters can blame Drudge the HRC camp will never be called on race baiting Mon Feb-25-08 10:10 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4757636&mesg_id=4757636

Why is there so much spectulation as to where the photo came from? Mon Feb-25-08 11:41 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758939





People should be worried to hear of the connections between the Clinton and McCain campaign advisors, or the fact that Obama has won 25 contests, Hillary only 11. This cute distraction seems to be working.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:19 PM
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98. "Muslim! Cocaine! Plagiarism! Snub!"
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 12:20 PM by AtomicKitten
Clinton has zero credibility on these matters, and that's her own damn fault.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:22 PM
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99. Only "none" with the Cult Members. Thinking Democrats know she is very credible,
Just look at today's embarrassing poo-slinging the DUbamas engaged in.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:27 PM
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101. don't bogart the kool-aid ;)
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 12:27 PM by AtomicKitten
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:33 PM
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103. I *really* like your ass-on-a-platter pic, AK.
After Obama wins the nom, can I borrow it? :hi:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:38 PM
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104. .
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 01:34 PM by AtomicKitten
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:32 PM
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102. :: crickets ::
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 12:32 PM by MethuenProgressive
Man, this thread was jumpin' back before the Obama supporters all ran away cryin'...
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