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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:35 PM
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BREAKING ARG: Obama leads in Texas by 8, Clinton leads in Ohio by 10
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 02:36 PM by Tropics_Dude83
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com

Great news for those of us who can't wait for this primary season to end because it's too stressful. LOL.

ARG Poll: Obama Leads in Texas, Clinton Ahead in Ohio
Two new polls from the American Research Group:

Texas: Obama 50%, Clinton 42%
Ohio: Clinton 49%, Obama 39%


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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:36 PM
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I still don't trust ARG, however, somehow I still can't believe they got Wisconsin right.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 02:36 PM by Drunken Irishman
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:37 PM
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6. I thought they undershot Obama's margin in Wis.
Predicted 11, he won by 17.

That said, everybody underestimated him in Wisconsin.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:40 PM
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18. I meant to say they were the closest.
Every other poll had him winning by only 4-5 points.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:36 PM
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1. A split decision in Ohio and Texas is a win for Obama... the Big Dawg said so....
....


until, of course, they claim that Texas is a "red" state that doesn't count and move the goalposts again.

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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:38 PM
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8. Don't you know? All states count, until they don't
:sarcasm:
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:38 PM
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9. Oh they can move all the goalposts they want
But I did the delegate math yesterday and Clinton absolutely needs a decisive TX win to have any hope.

This primary will likely be over the night of 3/4.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:39 PM
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13. They've already started doing that - it used to be she had to win both, now they're saying
she can't lose both. Let's see what they say if Ohio starts moving against her, too.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:04 PM
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32. Among TX, OH, and PA, one candidate will win two by double-digits...
...the other will drop out after two of them have been won.

I have no polling evidence for this; this is simply dmesg's gut feeling.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:37 PM
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2. Hillary is only ahead by 8 points in Ohio, according to latest Ohio poll
Univ. Of Cincinnati Poll: Clinton Leads By 8: "The latest Ohio Poll finds Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 47 to 39 percent among likely Democratic primary voters. At this time, an additional nine percent of likely Democratic primary voters intend to vote for John Edwards, who suspended his campaign at the end of January. Two percent of likely Democratic primary voters intend to vote for another candidate, including Ohioan Dennis Kucinich (who ended his campaign for president in January), and four percent are undecided as to how they will cast their vote March 4.

Three issues dominate Democratic primary voter decisions about the 2008 presidential race: the economy/jobs (41%), health care/health insurance (25%) and the war in Iraq/Iraq policy (16%)."

Quinnipiac Poll: Obama Gains on Clinton in Ohio: "Buoyed by a big shift among college-educated voters," Sen. Barack Obama is gaining on Sen. Hillary Clinton, who now leads 51% to 40% among Ohio likely Democratic primary voters, according to a new Quinnipiac poll. Political Wire adds:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/17/ohio-primary-latest-news_n_86925.html
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:39 PM
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14. And there's still over a week to go
Obama's been a fantastic closer in a lot of primaries.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:37 PM
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3. ARG was right in Wisconsin
These results wouldn't surprise me, although I think it's a little closer in both races.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:39 PM
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12. ...And horribly wrong in Iowa.
I remember at one point in early 2007, every poll in Iowa had John Edwards leading by a good margin. Minus ARG who had Clinton leading by double digits. And going into Iowa, Hillary had a comfortable lead in the ARG polls. And Barack won, Edwards second, and Hillary third.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:42 PM
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23. Rasmussen now has him tied in TX. So do all the other posts
except for one that has him ahead. The trajectory in TX is pretty clear.
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:44 PM
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28. No, ARG was badly wrong in Wis. twice, then backtracked the last day
they showed a big Hillary lead in two polls then one day later showed Obama leading by 10.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:37 PM
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4. ARG is going to come back next week saying Obama is losing by 15
They have no idea what's going on.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:37 PM
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5. SUSA has a Texas Poll coming out tonight. That will be an interesting one to see.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:38 PM
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10. SurveyUSA's website won't load up for me
Do you have the same problem?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:41 PM
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21. Works for me.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:37 PM
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7. ARG isn't to be trusted. Whether it shows Clinton or Obama ahead. Sorry.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:39 PM
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15. They have been hit and miss, no question.
But I think they are right on this case, although the margins of victory for each are closer, IMO.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:40 PM
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17. I guess we'll have to wait for the final results, but I just don't trust them.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:38 PM
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11. All Obama needs is one of them then this insanity can be over.
If Clinton continues her scorched earth tactics after that, she should be expelled from the party (along with lieberman for good measure).
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:40 PM
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16. Kerry 2008, ARG reedemed itself in Wisconsin
They picked up the Obama landslide in the final day and restored my faith in them.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:41 PM
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22. And yet they're still one of the worst ranked polls. I'm sorry, but I don't trust them.
Someone posted an ARG poll with Hillary in the lead, can't remember which state.

And I said the same thing: don't trust them.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:42 PM
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25. Don't trust them, but I think the trend clearly favors Obama.
It isn't hard to believe Obama could take Texas.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:42 PM
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24. I'm ready to call 3/4
I think Clinton does exceptionally well in Ohio and Rhode Island winning Ohio by 12 and Rhode Island by 17.

Obama, however, will win TX and Vermont the way he's won LA, Wisconsin, Maine, Virginia, with like 59-41 or 60-40 margins.

That will make Clinton's choice on 3/5 very interesting.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:52 PM
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30. I'm not ready to say anything about Ohio
There is still one more week left of campaigning left for Obama. Let's see the turnout in Cuyahoga and Franklin County on election night. That right there could give him the state.

I'm interested to see what he does in the numerous "large but small" counties in Ohio like Mahoning, Lake and Trumbull counties. Will he make appearances there?

The Ohio race is far from over. It's clear he's focusing a large amount of his time there. Rhode Island will probably go to Hillary, however.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:01 PM
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31. I now believe that HRC will only win RI on 3/4 and could lose them all.
All of the latest dustups over "plagiarism", flyer outrage, "sky is opening" and "Somoli dress up" will drive Hillary's numbers down. New Englanders are thoughtful, reflective people. Hillary has lost a lot of votes in RI and Vermont the past four or five days.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:41 PM
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19. seems to be a trend here
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:41 PM
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20. Vermont and RI are also having a primary vote on March 4th.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:43 PM
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26. she's ahead in RI by 15 or so
and behind in Vermont by 20+. He'll win by 30 here.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:43 PM
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27. And I bet Obama, if he loses RI, only loses by 5 or so points.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:50 PM
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29. Margins are similar to Decision Analyst recent numbers.
http://www.decisionanalyst.com/publ_data/2008/obama2.dai

Obama Leading Clinton In Ohio, According to
Feb. 20 and 21 statewide survey by Decision Analyst

Decision Analyst projections indicate that if the election were held today Obama would win 54% to 46% over Clinton. The survey�s margin of error is 3 percentage points, plus or minus, at a 90% level of confidence.


http://www.decisionanalyst.com/publ_data/2008/obama.dai

Obama leading Clinton in Texas, according to
Feb. 20 and 21 statewide survey by Decision Analyst

Decision Analyst projections indicate that if the election were held today Obama would win 57% to 43% over Clinton.


And even recent polls which still show Clinton ahead in Ohio show Obama moving up. These numbers explain the sudden new aggressiveness of the Clinton campaign, imo. All the marbles are on the line right here in Ohio and Texas.
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