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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:56 AM
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Debate 101/Obama: "Yeah, what she said."
This appears to be his only response in debates. After HRC has done the heavy lifting citing facts, names and dates, BO agrees w/ her and repeats her answer. How's that going to fly when he's talking with N. Korea or Russia's leaders? Not only is it NOT presidential, it's dangerous.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:58 AM
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1. the POINT is, there is not much difference between them on the issues accept the war, nafta etc
On those points, Obama was successful in outlining the differences.

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:59 AM
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3. there is NO difference between them on either IW nor NAFTA...nada
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 09:59 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:54 AM
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15. Successful in parroting HRCs stance on NAFTA. He did get a chance to throw a little mud..
how like him.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:58 AM
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2. When Obama is not saying "I agree with Senator Clinton"he's rehashing her ideas &making them his own
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:05 AM
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7. man, flop sweat and desperation are not appealing attributes.
I'm just sayin.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:55 AM
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16. Flop sweat? You mean the sweat on Obama's face when he's hoping HRC gets the question first?!
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:48 AM
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41. ROTFL! you guys are a laugh riot, honestly.
should take your act on the road. Oh wait, you did.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:23 AM
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10. You might even say he's "Xeroxing" them
:eyes:
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:04 AM
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25. LOL
:rofl:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:07 AM
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27. Good one.
:-)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:10 AM
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30. Ha-------still laughing so hard I can hardly type. GREAT.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:59 AM
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4. You like blowing hot air. If there is no difference, why PRETEND just to hear you vo
voice.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:56 AM
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17. Huh? I don't understand your point.
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riverdale Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:47 AM
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69. I understand his point exactly.
If you agree with what the other person just said, why not just cut the bullshit and say you agree? I certainly have no problem with that, and in fact applaud it.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:00 AM
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5. Which is why MSM is offering him the pillow - err - answering last
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:04 AM
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6. Keith Olberman pointed out how secure a position that is
If Clinton has the right answer on a question, there is no need to attack her for it.
That signals to me that Obama is willing to consider opinions of even his opponents if they are valid.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:58 AM
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19. Oooh, I never thought of that. So when MO wanted to buy that extra land BO said "great idea, honey"?
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:05 AM
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26. wow- I thought you were interested in discussion, not simply gutter
sniping.

sorry- my mistake.


peace~
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:53 AM
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45. I was referring to what Keith Olberman said in his analysis last night
twist it as you will. I happen to agree with him that a secure person is willing to acknowledge when someone else is also correct.

are you saying you want a candidate that will never acknowledge when someone else is correct?
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:09 AM
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8. The man is smart - no doubt about it. Why else would she whine so much about getting asked the
questions 1st? And then he did school her on several foreign affair points...seems her "vast experience" isn't all that after all.

That's the problem with being #2 - you have to do even more to show why you should be #1, and she ain't doing it - depsite the desperation and begging. Meanwhile he relaxes, looks thoughtful & presidential - and coasts into the GE.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:30 AM
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12. Answering second gives you time to think. D'oh.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:12 PM
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56. if someone is unable to think on their feet at this point in the game, they
deserve to lose.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:22 PM
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57. "Answering 1st, lets you set the tone and make all of the great sounding points
1st......duh.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:59 AM
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20. It's too bad he had to parrot her positions and dodge naming the new russian president...
but he has time to learn these things, another 4 years.
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:19 AM
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34. Russert said afterwards he intentionally didn't call on anyone after asking this particular question
and HC is the one who jumped in, was the aggressive one. This just illustrates he not-ready-for-primetime. Kind of like Bushie during the one debate against Gore when he didn't know many of the names of foreign leaders and got caught on it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:52 AM
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44. I think it was damage control by RusTurd--he was ticked off at Hillary.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:10 AM
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9. Wow. That's ridiculous. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:12 AM
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31. How sao-----got some valid reasons for responsing the way you did?
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:30 AM
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11. I am sure you were this outraged when in the first 15 debates...
it was Hillary saying "yeah, what he said"???
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:21 AM
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35. outrage is an obamsfolk term of the week.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:33 AM
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13. It's tactical on his part. It diffuses Clinton's attempt to show differences.
Hillary needed to show clear differences and by agreeing with her, Obama was able to keep that from happening. It was exactly what he needed to do.

Would he do the same thing with world leaders? Of course not. Just as he doesn't speak the same way in a debate as he does on the stump. There's a time and a place for everything and in this particular situation, Obama was spot on.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:00 AM
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21. It shows he doesn't have one original thought. Now that's presidential.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:30 AM
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39. He does. You just can't bear that dear hilly is getting
her candidacy systematically dismantled by him.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:35 AM
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14. I guess she shouldn't bitch about getting the first question, eh?
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:01 AM
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22. She didn't "bitch" and she didn't "shuck and jive" either. She pointed it out and answered the quest
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:15 AM
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33. Well she didn't win any points on that one. It looked made her look petulant.
Sorry but that is the truth. Anyway, wasn't the order of questions determined by coin toss? If so, that would make her objection somewhat disingenuous as well.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:23 AM
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37. it just showed Obama to be the follower that he is. .
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:40 AM
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40. Oh that is just lame.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:50 AM
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43. for an example. Hillary said O. has no substance to his speechs--He followed
her advice and has now started to add a bit of substance.

She is a good teacher.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:56 AM
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46. Bull feathers. Complaining and making excuses are not good teaching techniques.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:23 PM
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61. ha ha---He followed nonetheless:-)
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 05:49 PM
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64. So you say. Doesn't make it so, of course.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:03 PM
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47. Coin toss or not, when you get asked first on the first three questions, I think it's time to change
the order. Don't you?
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:10 PM
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48. Depends on how the rules of the debate were set up. Anyway, she didn't look good by whining about
it. Bad move on her part. Also, it doesn't do any good to complain and then say, "but I am not complaining" as she did. That makes it even worse.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 06:56 PM
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65. She could have worded it better. Did you catch Obama whining about Hillary's time as first lady?
She accomplished more as first lady then many statemsmen can during a term.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:48 AM
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70. Actually his points were spot on. No whining there. Hillary wants to take
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 10:52 AM by yellowcanine
credit for the popular things of the Clinton Presidency - she has to take responsibility for the
unpopular things also if she is going to claim those 8 years - which she does. She really is trying to have it both ways and Obama called her on it. That is not whining, it is setting the record straight.

On edit: And what were her accomplishments as first lady? Refresh my memory.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:48 PM
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53. She had every right to point out
the fact that she is usually asked the first question. It's to Obama's advantage for her to go first. Get it?????? BTW....she didn't "bitch". She said it like it is.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 05:01 PM
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62. No, it IS an advantage to go first. She got to set the agenda from the start!
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:50 PM
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67. That is a bunch of BS.
Look at the transcripts of the debates. She has been asked the first question 9 times, Obama has been asked the first question 8 times.

They were both at 8 going into the debate in Ohio.

Read the transcripts for yourself if you want:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_presidential_debates,_2008

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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:56 AM
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18. No cable TV here. Last night's debate was the first one carried on network TV in this area . . .
. . . and, obviously, it wasn't my imagination: Obama's a me-too-er.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:01 AM
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23. what would you have rather? She got to answer first- should he have
simply wasted everyones time listening to himself say the same thing???

You may have some legitimate issues with Obama- better to address them, than try and make up stuff that doesn't exist-


:shrug:

peace~
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:02 AM
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24. I didn't get to see last night's debate
but I've noticed this in the past. She answers and he responds with "I agree with Hillary" and then mainly rehashes what she said. While he has gotten better, I still find that he talks a lot but doesn't say much.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:09 AM
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28. Well that is your Hillary colored take on it. Anyway, it would be a weak criticism.
There is hardly any point in inventing disagreement for the sake of it, is there. If he agrees with something he is going to say it. They are going to agree on many points. Obama makes it clear where he doesn't agree. You just don't like it so you are looking for a wedge. Very Rovian of you.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:09 AM
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29. You have VERY selective ears. That wasn't the same debate I watched and your claim is disingenuous
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:13 AM
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32. selective ears are good at discerning what was actually said
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 06:58 PM
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66.  and what you only want to hear
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:22 AM
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36. I've noticed this as well, kind of makes me mad that he gets away with it.
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Dumak Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:26 AM
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38. Illogical
Comparing this to debate class, where the debaters are given opposing viewpoints to defend, doesn't make any sense.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:50 AM
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42. I guess you saw a different debate than I did. Care to actually
enumerate your observations with actual facts, comparing all questions and answers? Thought not.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:14 PM
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49. Ha! I love how Hillary forced Obama to openly reject Farakhan!......
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 12:19 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
I did like how he tried to make it about race.

"Hey, Jews! Remember, you liked Blacks before!"

More race-card playing.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:23 PM
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51. Full Transcript of the Debate
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:19 PM
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50. You nailed it and you can tell just by some of the whiney responses
Hey, if Obama gets the nod, maybe the moderators in the General Election will let him phone Hillary during the debates so she can tell him what to say.

He'll clearly be at a loss for words when he doesn't have Hillary to answer all the tough questions for him first.

"Uhhm, I agree with Senator Clinton on what she said a minute ago, and I really have nothing to add, Tim."
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:45 PM
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52. Exactly...
and in any debate, the person going second always has the advantage - why do you think they always ask Hillary first.
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:48 PM
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54. He will be "inspired."
:sarcasm:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:59 PM
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55. Here's the part where Hillary's lies on NAFTA were exposed
MR. RUSSERT: I want to ask you both about NAFTA because the record, I think, is clear. And I want to -- Senator Clinton. Senator Obama said that you did say in 2004 that on balance NAFTA has been good for New York and America. You did say that. When President Clinton signed this bill -- and this was after he negotiated two new side agreements, for labor and environment -- President Clinton said it would be a force for economic growth and social progress. You said in '96 it was proving its worth as free and fair trade. You said that -- in 2000 -- it was a good idea that took political courage. So your record is pretty clear.

Based on that, and which you're now expressing your discomfort with it, in the debate that Al Gore had with Ross Perot, Al Gore said the following: "If you don't like NAFTA and what it's done, we can get out of it in six months.

The president can say to Canada and Mexico, we are out. This has not been a good agreement." Will U.S. president say we are out of NAFTA in six months?

link



Hillary has her "Yeah, what he said" moments too, from the last debate:

SEN. CLINTON: Well, I would agree with a lot that Senator Obama just said, because it is the Democratic agenda.

link


Obama's just came of better!

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:40 PM
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59. transcript.....Obama "xeroxs" Clintons words........
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 01:41 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
MR. RUSSERT: But let me button this up. Absent the change that you're suggesting, you are willing to opt out of NAFTA in six months?

SEN. CLINTON: I'm confident that as president, when I say we will opt out unless we renegotiate, we will be able to renegotiate.

MR. RUSSERT: Senator Obama, you did in 2004 talk to farmers and suggest that NAFTA had been helpful. The Associated Press today ran a story about NAFTA, saying that you have been consistently ambivalent towards the issue. Simple question: Will you, as president, say to Canada and Mexico, "This has not worked for us; we are out"?

SEN. OBAMA: I will make sure that we renegotiate, in the same way that Senator Clinton talked about. And I think actually Senator Clinton's answer on this one is right. I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage to ensure that we actually get labor and environmental standards that are enforced. And that is not what has been happening so far.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:36 PM
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58. So if he agrees with Clinton, he should disagree to please you?
"I disagree, Hillary, Dmitry Medvedev will not be a puppet president, with his strings being pulled by Putin. He's not a hand picked successor, either."

Yeah, that's not political suicide. :eyes:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:46 PM
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60. Obama reminds me of the freeloader in "Six Degrees of Separation".
:hippie:
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 05:04 PM
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63. Yeah, it's the, uh...revolution? Pfftt......nt
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:28 AM
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68. "she was ready to give in to George Bush on day one"
LOL! Line of the night!
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