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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:27 AM
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Post Here Why Hillary Does Not Want to Release Her Tax Returns - Gathering Research
Please Post Here Why Hillary Does Not Want to Release Her Tax Returns - Gathering Research

This came up last night and Hil refused to budge. Why? Is it sleazy business deals of Bill's? Why would she not release now if she will in the GE?

It makes no sense and forces me to think there is something that would be negative in those returns?

What do you folks know or can find out? POST IT HERE.

Thanks! - DWW
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:29 AM
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1. Obviously...
...she is on Satan's payroll. Wouldn't look good, you know? :sarcasm:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:30 AM
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2. Isn't that special!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:30 AM
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3. She did agree to release them before the nom after pressed about it
Apparently she was "too busy" to do it before (or so she said), but committed that she would release them before the convention. She didn't commit to when. Once she loaned her campaign money, they came into play from an election standards perspective.

I think the press needs to hold her feet to the fire over that.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:31 AM
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4. So she's filing an extension with the voters?
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:36 AM
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5. Clearly she's hedging as her chances of winning the nomination are dwindling
So, she'll probably never have to release them.

The Clinton's have more than enough resources to hire multiple accountants to do their taxes, at least pro-forma, so they are clearly hiding something they think would damage their chances in the primaries.

Seriously, though, I think this is all a moot point now.

:dem:
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:38 AM
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7. She didn't commit to that: she merely said she'll try, which is the same as saying
"Well, I tried, but they just can't get the information together in time."

She'll probably get that info to us at the same time as the list of donors to her husband's library...
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:36 AM
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6. It was a hit job by Tim Russert. He should be kicked in the balls and thrown off a cliff
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:43 AM
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9. I agree. He knows that the tradition is for the nominee to release them...
after nomination.

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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:42 AM
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8. You're wrong.
I worked on a big campaign and we went through this, too. The candidate's return was over 500 pages long, and senior staffers had to go through all of it first with lawyers and accountants so we were prepared to answer any questions that came up. "Did you know you bought stock in a company that paid off dictators/dumped chemicals/etc. etc. etc.?"

There were also questions about complicated business deals that might have looked bad if the reporter wasn't familiar with how certain kinds of complex transactions are structured. (My experience made me a firm believer that only business reporters should cover these issues.)

I don't blame the Clinton campaign at all. They're in a very tight race and they simply don't want to commit the resources right now.
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:44 AM
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10. She used TurboTax
And her PC crashed, and she can't find the backup disk. Happens to the best of us.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:44 AM
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11. Why SHOULD she. I don't think any other candidate did.
What in the world are you looking for? It's a well known fact that Bill has made millions giving speeches, and AFAIK 1/2 of the assets of a marriage is hers! I wouldn't release them either!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:46 AM
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13. Yes, other candidates did.
Hillary Clinton's one of those people who would trade a little freedom for a little security. If she really believes that people who have nothing to hide shouldn't worry about privacy, she should put her tax returns where her mouth is.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:44 AM
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12. It's probably difficult to pretend you're the candidate of the people
when your husband is raking in millions on the speaking circuit. Let's face it - she's really not feeling our pain. There have also been stories alluding to a couple of business deals that might raise questions. If she doesn't put out the tax return, you're left to assume there is something there she doesn't want us to know about before votes are cast.
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From The Left Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:11 PM
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14. The Clintons Have Ties to Some Unsavory Characters
It's the stuff of legend in Little Rock.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:18 PM
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16. Yes but no one on this thread seems to know who they are - help me peoples!
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:16 PM
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15. I don't know why but it seems that whatever is in there is worse than the grief she is taking for
not releasing it now


This issue has been out there for a while now. She has stated that she won't release it before the convention. I don't believe her for a second when she said she would do it before the nomination last night. Pure BS once again.


The Clintons have played this game before. They would not take this hit without a reason.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:19 PM
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17. A simple political calculation: the damage done over the issue of
releasing or not releasing is less than the likely damage that would come from giving such a wealth of information to the media to pore over and cherry pick for juicy tidbits.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:37 PM
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18. Even if completely innocent and aboveboard, it'll put her on the defensive
Bill makes too much on speeches. Something's wrong. One of their associates is a skunk.

By rolling over, they are also being submissive, and in case you haven't noticed, both of the current nominee-contenders are in major compensation mode: she has to be tougher than the men to dispel the "female weakness" crap, which is why she won't admit a mistake and feels she has to be tougher on foreign policy, while he's scared stiff of the muslim accusations so he has to play the christianity riff 'til the holy cows come home.

A glance at her personality will show some serious stubbornness, and that alone should show you why she resists this demand.

People would pore over it and nit-pick things that would put her on the defensive. I'm not the least bit surprised why she's reluctant.

Personally, I think every detail of Michelle Obama's duties as a $316,000 a year administrator for a medical corporation that routinely shakes down the uninsured for more than the real value of their debts should be dragged out into the light and flogged endlessly. Then we can really work over the financial records of the Univ. of Chicago Medical Center and talk about their donations to Mr. Obama.

This muling demand for Senator Clinton's tax returns is obfuscation by definition; regardless of the contents, they'll put her on the defensive at a time when there is no time. This contest will probably be decided in the next few days, and anyone who doesn't see the greasiness of the dynamic of demanding that she willingly submit to putting herself on the defensive either hasn't thought it through, is playing nasty games or simply isn't very bright.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:50 PM
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19. kick
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:51 PM
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20. There are stories of Arab money, substantial amounts of it, that went into Clinton's foundation
I wonder if they can account for that money, and for its uses.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:16 PM
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23. Excellent story about the Foundation and Political venues overlapping..
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20clinton.html

In a separate written response from Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, a spokesman, Phil Singer, said, “Senator Clinton is not involved in the fund-raising or operations of the Clinton Foundation.” Mr. Singer noted that President Clinton’s promise to disclose future donors should his wife become president went beyond what the law required.

To limit the influence of any single donor, federal election law prohibits foreign donations to presidential campaigns and limits Americans to $2,300 per election. But presidential foundations are free to accept unlimited and anonymous contributions, even from foreigners and foreign governments. Indeed, the Saudi royal family, the king of Morocco, a foundation linked to the United Arab Emirates, and the governments of Kuwait and Qatar have made contributions of unknown amounts to the Clinton Foundation.

(very in-depth article with lots of names and huge amounts of $$)
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:09 PM
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21. kick
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:10 PM
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22. She's waiting for BO to release "The Rezko Years Returns"
Like *that's* ever gonna happen...
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